Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "In FNSV, the attraction is all about the story, and the subs are merely the conveyances to tell this new story." Nemo (and the subsequent story told on the Subs) has absolutely nothing to do with the theme o Tomorrowland: the future. Besides that the plot line of the Nemo attraction stinks.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>We are still talking about a ride at an amusement park correct?<< I have a hunch what this is suppose to mean. Would you mind elaborating just for the record?
Originally Posted By oc_dean Just so that anyone thinks this is not a legit discussion .. let me state where we are at: Planet: Earth Domain: website context: All things Disney specifically: Disneyland So .. unless we are suppose to talk about world hunger, Iraq, yesterday's Inauguration, Michelle's evening gown, right here in this section ... please let us know.
Originally Posted By oc_dean And speaking of "for the record" .... My hat's off to those in Imagineering who came up with this ~brilliant~ scheme ... who's heads are far too engrossed into the Disney characters .. and are loosing objectivity .. and careless about any original theme that was ALREADY brilliantly in it's original conception! Real brilliant Imagineering!
Originally Posted By oc_dean Doobie - you have a great website, but 9 years into this, I do wish you'd go with an edit feature: ....and careless about was ALREADY brilliantly conceived in it's original conception!
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I think making a crack like the one in post #41 is just an attempt to stop a thread from progressing. To me, writing it suggests that we're all making too much out of it and should be worrying about 'real' things. I thought buying a funeral-like flower arrangement was a bit over-the-top, but my guess is that it was meant to be. I'm not attempting to lessen the feelings of anyone who feels that 'it's a small world' will be ruined or diluted or whatever, from its original form. Far from it. I was surprised that Mary Blair's family was upset that the changes were being made. Also. Just because Marty Sklar thinks it's okay to make these changes to 'small world' doesn't make him a tool, in my opinion. He's one of the few people in the building who worked with Walt Disney and Mary Blair and Rolly Crump. I remember when he was discussing removing 'The Carousel of Progress' from the Magic Kingdom and he got blasted for that. His take on it was that over time, attractions do need to be replaced. That makes him a tool?
Originally Posted By oc_dean There is no doubt how tremendous Marty Sklar's contributions from the beginning of his career with Walt ... leading up to the 1990s. And anyone can call me crazy .. it just seems in the last 10 years ... as he winds down in his celebrated career .. that he has evolved more into a The Corporate Pragmatist. It's like .. there was a time where artistic integrity trumped all. But in this day and age .. It's evolved into - "I better say what the all mighty corporation tells me, in order to protect myself." I don't feel like he is truly speaking from his "heart of hearts" anymore. It's the Corporate Mantra first! I see a difference. I just add up his career to this point .... and that's what I am seeing.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains It seems someone had posted what the dolls looked like from one of the parks that already had them - the didn't seem bad - they really looked much better than the pins - I will wait and see - then give my opinion -
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "I thought buying a funeral-like flower arrangement was a bit over-the-top, but my guess is that it was meant to be." Yes, it was a joke.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Sklar has his roots in marketing and publicity, so I'm not surprised that whenever I hear him talk he sounds like a shill. Some have perceived grievances with the Walt Disney Co. and I guess we are just frustrated that more people who believe in the kind of thing they do at Imagineering, especially those who work there, have never spoken out. John Hench was the closest. I heard that Bruce Gordon spoke out internally and just coincidentally he was let go and then he died. Great...
Originally Posted By oc_dean Me on the other hand - It's no more un-ordinary than the CM who planted the cereal boxes throughout the ride. Sorry Jim ... I'd love it if someone did something on those lines .... But just be sure to take a photo .. and plant it on the internet for all us to see.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains <,I'd love it if someone did something on those lines .... But just be sure to take a photo .. and plant it on the internet for all us to see.>> They did and there was a link.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Didn't Darkbeer get a photo of the cereal boxes? He gets photos of everything.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Hey .. you know what Spokker .... it is sad those who did have the backbone to speak up are gone. But it's us little people .. who by little actions like planting the cereal boxes or planting a funeral wreath or anything else can make a point.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I wouldn't plant anything or otherwise commit any stunts at the park. If I'm a guest I'm riding rides or watching shows or otherwise relaxing while enjoying the scenery. I'm not up for any funny business. I would keep the drama on the Internet and not at the parks.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I look at imagineering like this...... First generation imagineers (50s,60s)- gold! Second generation (1970s-80s): Tony Baxter, Eddie Soto, Bruce Gordon, etc. Well taught by the first. Third generation(Late 90s-Aughts): Partially taught second generation, and ruled by "corporate mandates". And going into the teens .... It's fully evolving into a "We are the Disney! We are now fully in compliant with 'the corporate mandate'. We will assimilate by means of cartoon characters - resistance is futile." I hate using a Star Trek/Borg analogy for many who read it think it's a trite way to explain the way things have evolved (DEVOLVED!) at WDI ... but can anyone think of a better way to explain it?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Hey oc_dean, email me at spokker@gmail.com if you feel like it. I want to get your opinion on something.
