Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6U54xJFEOzk&feature=rec-fresh" target="_blank">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=...ec-fresh</a> Yeah, that's right you old jerk...you SHOULD look embarrassed when the camera turns on you!
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Originally Posted By mele <<The moron actually thought he was being clever with that goofy child molester smile he had the entire time.>> LOL, that pretty much sums it up!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip There are always a few wack jobs on each side of the fence. The far-left 'democrats' who smashed windows and overturned cars during the RNC weren't exactly my cup of tea either. That's part of the reason I'm getting to where I don't think of myself as either democrat or republican anymore. I don't like the extremes that exist in both groups. I like to identify myself as a moderate (CONFUSED moderate according to Beau) and leave it at that.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Wow, just went to youtube again to watch the video and this was the first comment I saw from the latest post there: <<Obama is going to be 4 years and out. I cant wait untill palin beats him in 2012. That day america will be able to hold its head up and the white house will be white again. Our forefathers are going to roll over in their graves when Barack Hussien Obama is sworn in.>> If we HONESTLY think we are any closer to eradicating racism in America or most of society, think again people. (But this idiot actually think Palin could beat Obama on debate about anything other then moose hunting)
Originally Posted By WorldDisney I'm sorry RT, I know I'm biased, but show me an Obama rally that anyone has heard of where there have been outright hatred of McCain because he's white?? Show me an Obama rally where they questioned McCains loyalty to America or that he should be killed? I'm not pretending Obama supporters are saints, I mean, we are still talking about Americans lol, but the tone that's been coming out of McCain rally's are sickening, racist beyound belief. I follow politics obviously, I watched Republican and Democrat rallies in the past and for the life of me I cant remember any rallies that have rachet up the racism quota like this one. And I wonder why .
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I'm sorry RT, I know I'm biased, but show me an Obama rally that anyone has heard of where there have been outright hatred of McCain because he's white??>> There is a difference in how the far left and the far right expresses their point of view. You never see far right republicans rioting in the streets. That is the province of the far left democrats. The far right wack jobs like to think of themselves (incorrectly in my book) as law abiding citizens and would never consider rioting in the streets. Their method of protest is to show up at republican rallies and act like Neanderthal butt-wads. Believe me, the idiots exist on both side.
Originally Posted By velo This election has been such an education for my teenagers - they've been watching with great interest. Clips such as these completely turn them off (they've seen a couple like this). I think I'd be surprised if they ever identified with the Republican party at this point. (and yes, they've seen the Wright tape as well).
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<I'm sorry RT, I know I'm biased, but show me an Obama rally that anyone has heard of where there have been outright hatred of McCain because he's white??>> <<There is a difference in how the far left and the far right expresses their point of view. You never see far right republicans rioting in the streets. That is the province of the far left democrats. The far right wack jobs like to think of themselves (incorrectly in my book) as law abiding citizens and would never consider rioting in the streets.>> Fair enough RT (and to be honest, I think I use to be one of those far left hooligans rioting in the streets lol---it was college people ;D). And yes, like I said, there are idiots on ALL sides, my main point is this is coming out of a PRESIDENTAL campaign and that's what is scary. If it was some anti-immigration rally or a protest of some kind, I can see the nuts coming out, but to have this stuff where you suppose to at least APPEAR to be civil while stating your viewpoint is scary to me. Of course, there WHERE a time the right wing hooligans caused public violence and hate and did everything from lynchings to setting houses on fire, but that's for another time ;D. Good to know some things have changed at least.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^LOL that's suppose to be 'there WAS a time where the right wing....'
Originally Posted By DlandDug That a pinhead showed up at a political rally with a Curious George doll labeled with an Obama sticker is pretty sickening. That CBS News felt this guy needed to be given air time is every bit as disgusting. I am sure many here will recall that the Democrats themselves sent costumed characters to rallies to mock George H. W. Bush and Bob Dole. The news media found that rather funny and clever. It's that double standard again. I do agree that mocking Obama by comparing him to a monkey is about as low as it gets. Of course, we have seen that sort of thing from the sensitive and politically correct folks on the other side of the aisle, too. <a href="http://www.bushorchimp.com/" target="_blank">http://www.bushorchimp.com/</a> <a href="http://www.smirkingchimp.com/" target="_blank">http://www.smirkingchimp.com/</a> <a href="http://chimpomatic.net/" target="_blank">http://chimpomatic.net/</a>
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< If it was some anti-immigration rally or a protest of some kind, I can see the nuts coming out >>> It's funny that you should mention that. I think that the anti-immigration hysteria is coming home to roost. Some are even trying to blame illegals for the economic meltdown. In general, I've noticed the anti-immigration rhetoric has been turned way down. My local Congressman, who used to feature immigration as the primary issue in his newsletters, abruptly changed course earlier this year when it was decided that it was hurting the party more than it was helping. For the previous two years, each and every issue featured a picture of him not in his own district, and not in Washington, but along the border with rural law enforcement. Then, suddenly, the switch was flipped and you now never hear anything about the issue, at least from him. But, the shrillness, harshness, and sheer volume of the anti-immigration mantra had been turned up so high and for so long that on this issue, many voters are not forgetting just because it's been toned down for a few months. Check this one out: <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gHGkJbzOIZuuWMIZ5vXfszMc7CRAD93NPDI80" target="_blank">http://ap.google.com/article/A...93NPDI80</a> ' "The Republican Party pretty much alienated that voting bloc with the debate over immigration," said Clarisa Arellano, a GOP activist in Colorado Springs, Colo., and a co-chair of McCain's Hispanic coalition in the state. "There's constant repetition that Sen. McCain is just another Republican, and negative campaigning works." McCain's trouble is most evident in his own backyard — the swing states of Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada. Hispanics in these states are a growing and critical segment of the electorate. They are largely of Mexican descent and trend Democratic, but in recent elections Republicans have successfully carved out just enough of their support to win. Bush won 44 percent of Hispanic voters in New Mexico in 2004, when he eked out a win in the state by 6,000 votes, according to exit polling. In a poll conducted last week, McCain was winning just 17 percent of Hispanic voters in the state. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama had 62 percent, and 21 percent were undecided, according to the survey conducted by Research & Polling Inc. for the Albuquerque Journal. '
Originally Posted By mele I don't know. There's a difference between comparing someone to a monkey because they're an idiot and comparing them to a monkey because they're black. One is about actions (which can be controlled) and the other is about skin color (which cannot).
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << It's that double standard again. I do agree that mocking Obama by comparing him to a monkey is about as low as it gets. Of course, we have seen that sort of thing from the sensitive and politically correct folks on the other side of the aisle, too. >> It's not really a double standard. The "Bush or Chimp" mocking is based upon the idea that GWB has no intellect. The Obama mocking is based solely on race. No one that I know of has ever introduced the idea that Obama has no intellectual capacity -- his credentials there are solid. The only reason anyone would ever mock Obama by comparing him to a monkey is because of the color of his skin, plain and simple. No one is saying that you can't mock Obama here. There will be plenty of mocking done on the late night TV shows. It's usually all in good fun. It's not all in good fun when the mocking is based upon racial stereotypes and bigotry that is really about 50 years in the past.
Originally Posted By DlandDug I've always thought that mocking anybody by reducing them to the level of a creature is just wrong in any instance. But you have no argument from me that racist mockery scrapes the bottom of the barrell.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Dug, I know you mean well, but its a stretch dude! Comparing anyone to a creature is never a good thing lol, but the implications and subtle messages are night and day. Bush being called a monkey is not ridiculing the very man's being, or who he is a person, it's denoting one aspect of his character, in this case his intelligence. But the implications of comparing an ENTIRE group, yes, not JUST Obama, the entire group of Black people as subhuman animals is beyound insulting and lets not be naive here, I have delt with that crap my whole life, thats the implication here and been a long time. I had a student in Korea call me a monkey once, you can not comprehend the amount of trouble that kid was in when I was done lol. The truth is this is a universal racial insult against ALL Black people or anyone of dark color, period and has been that way for a long, long time. Not excusing what people say about Bush, but its not even close to the same level, nowhere near. As far as I know, calling Bush a monkey doesnt implicate all the White race or even republicans like that idiot was basically saying here.
Originally Posted By SuperDry It's not just the "monkey" racists. At the McCain and Palin rallies in just the last week, Obama has been labeled a terrorist and an Arab by people in the crowd. This stuff is coming from somewhere. My best guess is that it's AM talk radio, although some of it might be coming from certain churches. Despite strong disagreements, people just aren't going to get riled up as they are without someone or something egging them on.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***At the McCain and Palin rallies in just the last week, Obama has been labeled a terrorist and an Arab by people in the crowd. This stuff is coming from somewhere. My best guess is that it's AM talk radio, although some of it might be coming from certain churches.*** Sadly, a lot of it is coming from the campaign itself. Not directly, of course, but by insinuation. Like I wrote in another thread, how can McCain call Obama "dangerous" in his commercials and then chastise a supporter for claiming to be worried about an Obama presidency. How can his people talk about Obama "palling around with terrorists", and then scold some old lady for saying she's worried that he's an Arab? (I know..the signals tend to get crossed on examples like the second one, right?) McCain should've said "DOMESTIC terrorists, lady. We said he pals around with DOMESTIC terrorists! He ain't no A-rab!".
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Obama rally that anyone has heard of where there have been outright hatred of McCain because he's white?? Show me an Obama rally where they questioned McCains loyalty to America or that he should be killed? < I guess you didn't hear about Father Michael Phlegers rant here in Chicago to a group of Obama Supporters... ( and yes Obama Father Phelger and Reverend Wright are good buds here,and both know Obama well ( even though he doesn't remember all the sermons. See if this has enough rascist overtimes for you: ( And yes,Obama denounced it - just as anyone running would do - but don't tell me there are no rascist overtones from anyone in Obama's camp - that's disingenuous ) <a href="http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/pfleger_warned_about_pulpit_po.html" target="_blank">http://blogs.suntimes.com/swee..._po.html</a> Pfleger warned about pulpit politics. Pfleger stepped down from "Catholics for Obama." By Lynn Sweet on May 30, 2008 7:19 AM | Permalink | Comments (98) WASHINGTON -- The Rev. Michael Pfleger mocked Sen. Hillary Clinton from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ -- earning him a reprimand Thursday from Sen. Barack Obama as his comments threaten to resurrect the politically radioactive Rev. Jeremiah Wright as a campaign issue. Pfleger, the outspoken activist pastor of St. Sabina in Auburn-Gresham, spoke at Trinity last Sunday night, and his videotaped comments about Clinton started to ricochet around the Internet. Introduced by Wright's successor, the Rev. Otis Moss III, Pfleger starts talking of the need to expose ''white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises its head" in the the clip on YouTube. Pfleger continues, referring to Clinton's tearing up just before the New Hampshire primary -- which may have helped her win. ''Rev. Moss, when Hillary was crying, and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on,'' Pfleger says from the pulpit. ''I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine! I'm Bill's wife, I'm white, and this is mine! I just gotta get up and step into the plate.' And then out of nowhere came, 'Hey, I'm Barack Obama,' and she said, 'Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show!' '' Pfleger then pretended to wipe tears from his eyes. "She wasn't the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying.'' As he wrapped up, Pfleger must have sensed he went too far. ''Sorry . . . don't want to get you into any more trouble,'' he said, a reference to the controversial Wright, whom Obama cut ties with April 30, following what he called Wright's ''rants'' during a press conference at the National Press Club here. Moss, back on the pulpit, said, "We thank God for the message and we thank God for the messenger." Republicans have already started hitting Obama over Wright, and by Thursday had seized on Pfleger's comments. Obama, in a statement, said, ''As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause.'' Pfleger, a passionate advocate for the down-and-out, immediately issued an apology: ''I regret the words I chose on Sunday. These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama's life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them.'' Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said Pfleger stepped down from a ''Catholics for Obama'' committee a few weeks ago, but would not say why. The Clinton campaign at first had no comment, then Thursday evening said Obama did not go far enough in distancing himself from Pfleger. "Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics," said a statement issued by Clinton spokesman Phil Singer. "We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn't specifically reject Father Pfleger's despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so." Chicago Sun-Times religion reporter Mike Thomas asked Cardinal Francis George's office for a reaction, and his spokeswoman, Colleen Dolan said, ''The cardinal has made it clear to Father Pfleger in the past on more than one occasion that it's inappropriate to speak about political issues from the pulpit and that his own personal opinions are his own personal opinions.'' The campaign of presumptive GOP nominee Sen. John McCain declined comment. Pfleger is a longtime Obama friend and was in the audience at the National Press Club for that Wright press conference, and when we talked afterward, he realized Wright created a problem for Obama. I was told Pfleger's comments stunned some in the Obama camp because they expected him to be more politically savvy -- and not take on Clinton,especially at Trinity, of all places.
