Originally Posted By ssWEDguy There's a good bit of discussion on the boards about negative posters. Then there's a lot of defense of such so-called negative posting as being "truth tellers." That they are just defending what used to be at Disney, and that they wish they had back again. Here's my take on that -- I believe in the value of the "truth teller." They're a lot like a movie critic that gives you their opinion of a movie before you've had a chance to see it. But there are many movie critics. The most respected among them will disagree on any given movie. What I do is at least listen more closely to critics that I've agreed with in the past. The difference is this -- It's one thing to be told "So-and-so over there knows a lot about Disney -- Go ask them about it!" It's another to be exiting an attraction and feeling really, really good about it. And there's this guy right outside with a hose telling everyone "You fools! It's much better at Disneyland!" I'm willing to be that the people that do this will NOT recognize themselves when they read this.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy CM's are encouraged to treat every single guest experience as though it was the guest's first time ever in a Disney park. Because it just might be. And if the response doesn't have that energy in it, the chance for that first affirmation is lost forever. Can you imagine posting on LP.com for the first time, and within minutes having someone post right behind you telling you that you're wrong?
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Maybe everyone's posting name ought to have their "origination date" behind it, so you'll know if they're new.
Originally Posted By Indigo Heh. There will always be a hump of acceptance and customs to get over when joining an online community. I like to think that LP's hump is smaller than most. I also think you're comparing apples to oranges here. We're not CMs here, we're guests. As guests we should be polite, keep our feet off the furniture, etc. But that doesn't preclude use from pointing out something we think is wrong. We do need to be polite about it (at least the first few times we point it out). The community guidelines are pretty good rules of thumb here. I do feel a little sorry for a newbie who pops into the middle of a long discussion on the boards. But they should take it upon themselves to read a little of the board's history first too. Just my $0.02
Originally Posted By trailsend Boy, do I agree with you, ssWEDguy. I don't know if we are discussing the same situation, but to post something enjoyable, whether it be an attraction or an event, etc. and then get slammed because *I* or whoever posted hasn't been to DL, to me, shows a considerable character flaw. I personally cannot imagine being so negative that I cannot find anything good, nice, fun, enjoyable out of WDW. That is not being truthful. That is just plain immature (and thinking it's cute). I've been through 24 years of changes at WDW. I sure do miss some things, but I love the new things too. For me, it is Disney; I'm a fan and I love it. Some things may not be my cup of tea, but I don't berate them. To not understand that each person has their own favorite things is actually, well, silly. The person who is consistently negative is the person I don't value an opinion from. It's not truthful, honest.
Originally Posted By trailsend just reading another thread brought me back here . . . Some of us keep the imagination of Walt and see the parks in his eyes . . . some of us lose that.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Some people are TOO engrossed in reality! Lighten up People! <singing.... Imaginiation>
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider I agree although I'll admit I can be that way when it comes to old Epcot and MK attractions being torn out for less magical experiences (WoM, Toad, 20k, Horizons, JIYI, even AE :*( R.I.P. guys) I also don't think everything people love about Disney is great (I just don't get the huge appeal of Fantasmic or The Fantasyland Carroussel...sorry) but I don't think it's right to just straight up bash/flame stuff others like. I think it's fair to voice your dislikes but in a non-insulting way to those who DO enjoy it. >>And there's this guy right outside with a hose telling everyone "You fools! It's much better at Disneyland!"<< That made me laugh cause I could picture all these happy kids getting off of like IASW or something and some guy jumping out from behind bushes and spraying them laughing maniacally while saying that. But that's a good example of what I mean. When I post on rides I don't particularly like in the guides (although maybe sometimes I flirt with insuting when it comes to the new JIYI or something...I forget what I posted but I'm passionate about that and Mr.Toad heh) I try to be nice about it and say why I don't like it whether it be the lines for what the attraction is, the excitement/magic/fun, if it's a letdown from what you'd expect from ads etc. Some people just say things like "THIS RIDE SUCKS!!! HOW CAN YOU LIKE THIS PIECE OF SHOE!?!?!?" I think that is extremely wrong. If you don't agree with someone's enjoyment of an attraction or whatever don't berrate them just agree to disagree!
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> We're not CMs here, we're guests. << I understand this. But I like to think that the kind of behavior that is encouraged in CM's is something that everyone should try to do. Don't you think?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I guess I'd like a clarification of what exactly 'negative'behavior is here....as I see different versions. If pointing out that the new Stitch ride was a poor execution.....or that the Pooh Playground is a poor substitute for 20,000 leagues...is negative behavior in people's opinions, they why have a chat room at all ? If all anyone is supposed to do is sing the praises of whatever is there andnever give an opinion, then what is the point ? I know I for one will criticize something I think is not up to snuff ...( and I see where this may be the loss of Walt's vision--and I respectfully disagree..I think Walt would not be happy with some things either)..and maybe they wouldn;t have seen the light of day. Now it can be done in a non rude -- non CAPITALIZTION and civil way to be sure...and I always try and maintain that level of dignity for all involved. But I guess I am starting to get irritated by people telling others what they should or should not think-- or say. If it is a community standards issue -- by all means there is no room for that behavior - and I left WE section for exactly that reason -- as well as censorship ( not by ADMIN but by other posters to other posters) -- Why should the only topics here be that everything is perfect ? I just don;t get that. Now I do agree there may have been a few posters who find negative with everything....and then credibility goes out the window in my opinion, but I am not going to try and censor them...I just don't put a lot of credence in their thoughts. However I do find this section to be way more civil than most here, and more civil than it was even 1 year ago.....so I am trying to gauge what the outrage is here. If the outrage is that there are some things that can be improved , in a place that granted is my favorite vacation destination on Earth...and one I am just as quick to compliment where it fits as criticize when it fits -- then there needs to be a reality check. Just as any good manager knows that surrounding yourself with yes men will only lead to your demise....the same holds true here for me. I want people's honest opinions, not sugar coated and made up...those are of no value.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Here's the deal. I'm not suggesting that you don't hold onto what you think it ought to be like. Post away. Just don't be the guy outside the attraction exit with the hose wetting down people who are exiting after actually enjoying the ride. If you must tell someone that "it used to be better until so-and-so ruined it" or "it's better at Disneyland than it is here" then go tell the persons whose job it is. Don't diminish the experience for the guest or poster with the excuse that you're "just enlightening them about what it should be or used to be like." Enough. My work is done here.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Heigh-oh Silver! Away !!! "Say -- who was that masked man?" "I don't know, but I wanted to say 'Thank you.'"
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Hmmmm....masked man, you say? Now you have my FULL attention. It just so happens that I ADORED masked men. (I'm still waiting for Batman to bite me...)
Originally Posted By trailsend vbdad55 ~ the issue, I think, ssWEDguy is talking about (and I don't mean to speak for him) happened in another thread. Hey, I will speak for myself. We were discussing how nice a particular event is and one poster keeps saying how awful and crummy it is even to a new poster. And, of course, the old everything is better at DL. These discussions were not at all like the opinions and discussions you are always engaged in. This was, in a nutshell, you're wrong, I'm right, I know it all, I don't care where you've been ~ it's no good there . . . you catch my drift.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> masked man, you say? Now you have my FULL attention << Now I'm intrigued. Maybe I should change my posting ID to "ssMaskedMan?"
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Can you imagine posting on LP.com for the first time, and within minutes having someone post right behind you telling you that you're wrong?<< I am sorry ssWEDguy but you are totally and utterly WRONG!!! (Sorry, could not resist ;P) >>Just don't be the guy outside the attraction exit with the hose wetting down people who are exiting after actually enjoying the ride<< Aw, C'mon!!! Why should I deny me the pleasure of doing that when I see badly dressed guests at the park?
Originally Posted By TDLFAN One more question... what does this has got to do with WDW in particular??
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>Just don't be the guy outside the attraction exit with the hose wetting down people who are exiting after actually enjoying the ride<<< Not sure this visual fits Disney forme but this is different than don't talk about anything that is not perfect, or as some have taken it, take the Disney magic mushroom and just pretend on everything.... I would never rip a ride in front of a kid who just got off as one example was given.....or even get into discourse in the park with a stranger over how the park was better maintained in the 80's than now - whether true or not. However there are times I have met other Disney fanatics -- usually around the pool or maybe enjoying a libation at the bar in Old Key West, and I have found most people are realistic about the state of affairs - the good, the bad and the ugly. I surely don't see anything wrong with that either. I just think the tome of this thread and where some have gone is sticking one's head in the sand. Nobody wants a wet blanket around all the time, I surely understand that...but I can still love Disney and WDW yet be strong enough to take notice of things that couldbe better to go along with all the things that are already good. I don't want to become more of a Disney apologist than I already am. <These discussions were not at all like the opinions and discussions you are always engaged in. This was, in a nutshell, you're wrong, I'm right, I know it all, I don't care where you've been ~ it's no good there . . . you catch my drift. < Thanks for the perspective, and I can surely understand that -- and I know I always try and leave some wiggle room in discussions for the fact that I may not be right and it is only my opinion -- however 2 separate threads now on - always something negative to say...and rainng on the parade. No Thank you --both including either exclamation points or capitalization either in title or opening post, which I thought was the problem ? Censorship is a dangerous thing...and I still do feel this section was far more negative a year ago than today....but if saying that the penny arcade would be nicer to have than another plush shop...then I am guilty as charged with being a storm cloud....I just don't feel it is any more right to overlook issues than it is to take it for granted when management there does something well..each deserves a chance to be discussed.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney ^^^I agree with VBDAD. Although I was very tempted not to post because my feelings are very similar to some posters here who are often bashed for being negative. I was also warned by a past poster that this community is very sensitive to criticism of WDW that winds up in the mainstream media. And since we all know ---- or should ---- that both media and Disney regularly monitors this site, I was afraid I was going to have to bite my tongue. I haven't yet and hopefully won't. By the way, I'm not HateDatDisney ;-)
