Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Another new low. This time he questions Obama's "religious values". Anyone who supports this guy should go lay down in front of a train. <a href="http://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnews/ci_19995479" target="_blank">http://www.presstelegram.com/b...19995479</a>
Originally Posted By skinnerbox As far as I'm concerned, Rick Santorum is a self-loathing closet queen. The more he speaks, the more I hear his shame. No one who loves himself unconditionally can be this hateful of everyone else.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder What I want to know is how anyone who is like this guy could have gotten as far as he has politically. No one can tell me the stupid people aren't responsible.
Originally Posted By ecdc I'm like 80% delighted that this guy could actually win the nomination, and 20% horrified. I believe Obama would trounce him...but then I don't trust this country to do the right thing.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost And I'll tell you why! A number of years back there was a man that ran for an opening in the state legislature. This guy was not only "certifiable" he was under the care of a large contingent of Doctors. He wrote up a platform statement and sent it to all the media spelling out his stand on everything. It looked like something out of National Lampoon. If I remember correctly it contained references to aluminum foil and it's potential to pick up signals from outer space. Somehow, he managed to get the required number of signatures to get his name on the ballet as an independent. After the election (he didn't win, thankfully) I was talking to my parents, usually very stable and thoughtful people, and found out that they had voted for him. When I asked why I was told, "He had a nice sounding French name." There really is no hope!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I'm like 80% delighted that this guy could actually win the nomination, and 20% horrified. I believe Obama would trounce him...but then I don't trust this country to do the right thing.> You just summed up my feelings perfectly. I'd like to think that Santorum couldn't carry any swing state; I can't imagine him appealing to moderates, especially as he gains greater scrutiny as he does better in the polls. The national media has largely ignored him up till now, and Romney has largely focused his fire elsewhere, till very recently. But when moderates get a good look at him, I don't think they'll like what they say. It just came out today that in 2008 he said that mainline Protestantism (i.e. Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopal) "is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it." <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/18/rick-santorum-protestantism_n_1286471.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...471.html</a> So I like to think Obama would have an easier time beating him than Romney... and so part of me was glad to see the Romney express put on hold. OTOH... though I wouldn't LIKE to see a President Romney, I could live with a President Romney. I'd have a much harder time dealing with a President Santorum. I just can't root for this guy, even to drag the thing out and damage Romney in the process. That's what I was hoping Gingrich would do.
Originally Posted By mele Mind reeling from reading this (emphasis mine): Santorum has said that he wouldn't try to take away the birth control pill or condoms but that ***STATES SHOULD BE FREE TO BAN THEM*** He told a Christian blog last year that as president he would warn the nation about "the dangers of contraception" and the permissive culture it encourages. He's also questioned whether women should be in combat and said that "radical feminists" have undermined the traditional family by "convincing women that professional accomplishments are the key to happiness." Fan-freaking-tastic. Frothy Mix should feel insulted to be compared to Santorum.
Originally Posted By mele Another gem: The former Pennsylvania senator was arguing against what he called a mandate in the health care legislation passed by President Barack Obama and Democrats in 2010. He said Saturday at an appearance in Ohio that the law was intended to increase abortions and reduce overall health care costs. "One of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America," Santorum, a conservative Roman Catholic, told a Christian Alliance luncheon in Columbus. "Why? Because it saves money in health care. Why? Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done, because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society." He added that the requirement was "another hidden message as to what President Obama thinks of those who are less able."
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>He added that the requirement was "another hidden message as to what President Obama thinks of those who are less able."<< He then passed out Santorum 2012 Tin Foil hats for all in attendance.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 His thing against the pre-natal testing is in some ways even worse than the contraception thing because pre-natal testing not only shows health problems with the baby, it shows health problems with the mother so that the mother and her doctor can decide the best course of action for the pregnancy. Things like gestational diabetes, certain diseases, and if the mother is Rh- (negative blood type) are all things that can cause pregnancy or delivery complications, but those risks are rarely fatal to the mother or baby if proper care is taken. No pre-natal testing=more mothers dying from pregnancy or delivery complications and more still-born babies and miscarriages. This guy really has no respect at all for women...to him we are nothing more than baby machines, house keepers, and child-care providers.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<This guy really has no respect at all for women...to him we are nothing more than baby machines, house keepers, and child-care providers.>> I'm tellin' ya... he's the classic guilt-ridden closet queen who's overcompensating with extreme religious obsession.
Originally Posted By mele And you just know he's against any sort of state-funded medical care (I hate the term "Obamacare"). 1. Don't allow sex education. (Hell, he'd like to dismantle the Dept of Edu all together.) 2. Don't allow birth control. 3. Don't allow abortion. 4. Don't allow prenatal testing. 5. Don't allow any government-funded/assisted medical care. 6. Don't allow government-funded assistance I'm not really all that convinced he'll be POTUS but I'm learning 'O Canada', just in case.
Originally Posted By dagobert I'm very sorry to say that, but the presidential campaigns sound stupid to me. No party over here would use such religious topics, because they would lose the election. People would go crazy. Even for the conservatices it's a no go to use abortion, birth control and sex education. We even learned in school about these things. However from time to time there are groups who are against abortion and finally we got a law that protects women from such groups. It's the choice of the mother and not of such groups.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I'm very sorry to say that, but the presidential campaigns sound stupid to me.<< You're catching on. Good old America is losing its mind.
Originally Posted By mele I'm sorry, dagobert, but the USA is the greatest country in the world. USA! USA! USA! Yes, we have lots o' stupid.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>I'm sorry, dagobert, but the USA is the greatest country in the world. USA! USA! USA!<<< It is a wonderful country and I met great people when studying over there. I still have contact with them and can't wait to visit some of them next year. Although we had very different views on some things, like religion and politics, we had a fantastic time. However once I was called a communist after I explained them our social security system. Never talked to them again.
Originally Posted By mele That sounds about right. Most Americans do not know the definition of socialism...or communism and capitalism for that matter. Most Americans think that the USA tops the world in our standard of living. We're so far from the top, it's ridiculous. According to Mercer's 2011 findings, our most livable city is #29, Honolulu.* We don't even rank in the top 50 for Personal Safety. <a href="http://www.mercer.com/qualityoflivingpr#city-rankings" target="_blank">http://www.mercer.com/qualityo...rankings</a> Most Americans would never believe that Pittsburgh, PA would even be on the list. ;-) I do not understand why we think we have to be #1 or why we can't acknowledge that there are other places that are better. I guess I'm not really all that competitive. *Seattle is #48 so lucky me!
Originally Posted By dagobert I know that report and it makes me happy that Vienna, Austria, is number one!! Vienna is indeed a great city. >>>Most Americans would never believe that Pittsburgh, PA would even be on the list. ;-)<<< From a tourist point of view I really enjoyed Pittsburgh. We have been there for three days.
