Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/mitt-romney-ohio-ad-car.html" target="_blank">http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2...car.html</a> George Bush was/is a paragon of virtue compared to this soulless, robotic simp. From the link: "The Romney campaign's defense is that none of these are outright lies. Which is true! They are just completely misleading, irrelevant, or context-free claims which would persuade only the most gullible and/or uninformed swing-state voters. Which tells you what Mitt Romney thinks of Ohio."
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Romney and the GOP hope that the majority of Americans are idiots. That's the only way that they can win.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Sad commentary. All who vote for Romney is an idiot. Is that what this comes down to? I don't think everyone who votes for Obama is an idiot, they just see different solutions and have different ideas that I do.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Yep. Voting for the guy who lies about his taxes, who lies about having a plan to fix the economy, and who thinks that half of the country are freeloaders instead of the guy who turned the economy around and who is doing well in international affairs is idiotic.
Originally Posted By dshyates I won't say that they are idiots, but I do think that there is an extreme lack of critical thinking going into Romney votes.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 When you lie to the voters as Romney has repeatedly and is doing again in this ad, you are treating the voters themselves as if you think they are idiots. That's what we're saying. This one is so blatant that it seems to be backfiring, though. I saw a piece on the news with Ohio voters and only one of them believed the Romney ad. The others knew it was a lie and thought less of Romney as a result. Which is as it should be.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<When you lie to the voters as Romney has repeatedly and is doing again in this ad, you are treating the voters themselves as if you think they are idiots. That's what we're saying.>> This. It's like they've basically decided that if they tell the whole truth, or share their message without being misleading, that it will cost them votes. What does that say about Romney and his team?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I think that a GOP run by adults and by people who are honest about what they believe would be a real benefit to the national conversations that we need to have in this country. But they lie, they hide their true positions because they know that they are unpopular, and they focus entirely on holding and gaining power rather than holding any core beliefs. I want there to be a serious conversation about what the states should be responsible for and what the federal government should be responsible for. I think that we need to talk about social programs and the military and the infrastructure and how we should share those costs. But we can't have that conversation when the GOP's presidential candidate changes his opinion based on the crowd that he's talking to. Hell, he changes it in front of the same audience depending which question he's answering, like we saw in the Town Hall debate. He, like his party, has no core other than "do what it takes and say what you need to say to win." Obama is a better candidate in every measurable way. He's even been good for business, as can be attested to by the increase in corporate profits and stock prices since January of 2009. But the GOP relies on their supporters only getting their news from their own in-house news network. Voting to cut your benefits, to raise your taxes, to increase the national debt, to send our troops to another war in the Middle East, and to make women and minorities second class citizens is idiotic.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Thanks, DDman. My nabe has a lot of debris and some flooding, but not as bad as a lot of places, and although we got a robocall from Con Ed saying they might yank our power, they haven't yet. Lord knows when the subway will be back up and I'll be back at work. There will be a lot to make up when that happens, but I'm counting myself very fortunate this morning.
Originally Posted By ecdc I was going to ask how things are, thanks for the update. Was just reading that this is the worst disaster to hit the subway in its history. There's never a lack of hyperbole in these kinds of situations, but this sounds like it might just be the case.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan All who vote for Romney is an idiot. Is that what this comes down to?<< No. But all who vote for Romney are engaging in an extreme amount of cognitive dissonance. They know, for instance, that they'd never tolerate a democrat who flat refused to release his tax information. Remember the chants about flip-flops when Kerry was running? They can't stand Obama, and they probably don't much like Romney either, but in order to support Team "R" they have to pretend not to see Romney's wild inconsistencies, flip-flops, distortions and outright lies. They have to blame Obama for high gas prices one week and then, when the prices start to fall, they have to say that the president doesn't have any control over gas prices anyway. They have to ignore that Romney was against helping the auto industry -- hell, he WROTE about it in a NYT editorial -- and believe his lie that he was right all along. And they have to ignore recorded evidence of him dismissing nearly half the country for "not taking responsibility for their lives" and the other terrible things he said to deep-pocketed donors behind what he thought were closed doors. AND, if all that weren't enough, they're supporting a guy who during the primaries went on and on about being a "severe conservative" and now, in the final hours, starts throwing out bones to moderates. Which are the real policies -- moderate or severe conservative? Who can know? That's a lot of mental gymnastics to go through, and I don't think an "idiot" would be capable of it. But it's a vote in support for flagrant dishonesty and non-transparency, and I find it pretty disgusting.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<But all who vote for Romney are engaging in an extreme amount of cognitive dissonance. They know, for instance, that they'd never tolerate a democrat who flat refused to release his tax information. >> I wouldn't care if either candidate didn't released his tax returns, it's just not that important to me. If this is something people want to be concerned over let them.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's something that every major-party candidate has done routinely now for almost 50 years. And there's good reason for it; it lets us see where their money comes from, who they might be beholden to in office, and also gives a clue to their basic honesty (lots of basically honest people will fudge on their taxes, so if someone is on the up and up with their taxes, that's a good thing.) And when they DON'T release the now-standard 6-10 years or more, it absolutely raises a red flag for me.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I wouldn't care if either candidate didn't released his tax returns, it's just not that important to me. If this is something people want to be concerned over let them.<< It was Romney's own father who felt strongly about this. He warned about candidates who refused to do so. And a party that just spent much of the last 4 years yelling about the president's birth certificate goes strangely quiet about Romney's tax documents. There's really no word for how hypocritical that is.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Good to know that you're safe and sound, Dabob. I was thinking about you last night, watching the Weather Channel.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Sad commentary. All who vote for Romney is an idiot. Is that what this comes down to? I don't think everyone who votes for Obama is an idiot, they just see different solutions and have different ideas that I do.>> That's right, Josh. The voters who lean Democrat compared to the voters who lean Republican, in 2012, do have different ideas and values. And from what I can tell, it all boils down to traditionally held power and control, which conservative Mormons such as yourself want to preserve. Quiz time! What percentage of U.S. Mormons are black? 3 percent What percentage of registered Republicans are black? about the same, roughly 2 to 3 percent What percentage of registered Democrats are black? 21 percent What percentage of the U.S. population is black? almost 14 percent Your party, Josh, has become the party of white old men that wants to preserve the throne of power and privilege for themselves. Just like LDS leadership in Salt Lake, which is dragging its butt into the 21st century, refusing to treat minorities and women as fully equal to white men. This is what it boils down to, whether or not you choose to admit it. You are a white guy who belongs to a church run by a bunch of white guys. And you vote for members of a political party controlled overwhelmingly by white guys. However... the white guys are slowly dying off. Their numbers are steadily reducing, while minorities are steadily gaining in number. And that scares the crap out of the white guys in power. They are terrified of not being in control, of calling the shots, of running our economy and government and holding the overwhelming majority of our nation's assets in their hands. So we get minority voter suppression, pro-corporate rulings from the white guys on SCOTUS, offshoring of jobs by the white guys running the businesses, for-profit prison systems which overflow with record numbers of minority prisoners, etc, etc. The white guys who've been in charge since immigrants from Europe came to New England over 300 years ago are doing everything possible to stay in power, to stay at the top, and keep everyone else, mainly minorities and women, at the bottom. That's the way it's been for centuries, and the white guys aren't about to allow this to change, not without a fight. You are one of their foot soldiers, Josh, fighting the fight for white guy power and control. That's what this all boils down to, Josh. That's why you turn a blind eye to Romney's lies and half-truths and deceptions. Romney is an old Mormon white guy, who's trying to keep the government in control of the white guys, specifically the old rich white guys. And anyone who isn't an old rich white guy, but chooses to vote for Romney in spite of that fact, is an idiot.
