Originally Posted By tiggertoo This was emailed to me by my cousin who is a very staunch Republican but ticked with Jorge Bush’s efforts to secure America and enforce immigration laws. These stats are sad for someone who claims to be making America safer...and in the post-9/11 era no less. ------------- Employer Investigation Efforts of U.S. Immigration Authorities: Fiscal Year/Worksite Arrests/Notices of Intent to Fine 1993 7,630 1,302 1994 7,554 1,063 1995 10,014 1,056 1996 14,164 1,019 1997 17,554 865 1998 13,914 1,023 1999 2,849 417 2000 953 178 2001 735 100 2002 485 53 2003 445 162 2004 159 3 The average annual worksite arrests under Clinton was 9,329 arrests. The average annual worksite arrests under President Bush is 456. This is a 95 percent reduction in average annual worksite arrests under President Bush. The average annual notices of intent to fine employers of illegal aliens under Clinton was 865. The average under President Bush is 79.5. This is a 90 percent reduction in average annual notices of intent to fine employers of illegal aliens. And then there is 2004 where, under President Bush, only 3 notices of intent to fine employers of illegal aliens were done. 3!! But that was President Bush's worst year. Let's compare best years then. Under Clinton his best year for Worksite Arrests was 1997 with 17,554 reported. President Bush's best year was 2001 with 735 worksite arrests reported. This is a 99.7 percent reduction in worksite arrests under President Bush when comparing best years. Clinton Presidency, Total Aliens Expelled: 1993 1,285,952 1994 1,074,781 1995 1,364,688 1996 1,643,108 1997 1,555,116 1998 1,743,273 1999 1,755,754 2000 1,861,933 Total over 8 years: 12,284,605 Average Annual Total Aliens Expelled: 1,535,575 Bush Presidency, Total Aliens Expelled: 2001 1,432,061 2002 1,084,661 2003 1,076,483 2004 1,238,319 Total over 4 years: 4,831,524 Average Annual Total Aliens Expelled: 1,207,881 The average annual total of aliens expelled under President Bush is 327,694 LESS than the average under President Clinton. That is a 21.3 percent reduction in aliens expelled compared between Clinton and President Bush. Deportable Aliens located in non-border sectors (interior enforcement): Clinton presidency, last four years: 1997 44,246 1998 39,096 1999 42,010 2000 32,759 Total: 158,111 Bush presidency, first four years: 2001 30,496 2002 25,501 2003 26,492 2004 21,113 Total: 103,602 Total deportable aliens located in interior sectors during the first four years of the Bush presidency represents a 34.4 percent drop compared to the previous four years - the last four years of the Clinton presidency. Deportable Aliens Located: Clinton Presidency first four years: 1993 1,327,261 1994 1,094,719 1995 1,394,554 1996 1,649,986 Total: 5,466,520 Clinton Presidency last four years: 1997 1,536,520 1998 1,679,439 1999 1,714,035 2000 1,814,729 Total: 6,744,723 Bush Presidency first four years: 2001 1,387,486 2002 1,062,279 2003 1,046,422 2004 1,241,089 Total: 4,737,276 Total deportable aliens located dropped by 29.7 percent in the first four years of the Bush Presidency compared to the previous four years - the last four years of the Clinton Presidency. <a href="http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05813.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d 05813.pdf</a> <a href="http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/2003Yearbook.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/ shared/aboutus/statistics/2003Yearbook.pdf</a> <a href="http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/Yearbook2001.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/ shared/aboutus/statistics/Yearbook2001.pdf</a>
Originally Posted By tiggertoo Hopefully this will make the columns more legible. ------------ Fiscal Year---Worksite Arrests---Notices of Intent to Fine. 1993---7,630---1,302 1994---7,554---1,063 1995---10,014---1,056 1996---14,164---1,019 1997---17,554---865 1998---13,914---1,023 1999---2,849---417 2000---958---178 2001---735---100 2002---485---53 2003---445---162 2004---159---3
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Did you notice something though? Virtually every year under Clinton the number deported increased. Deportation didn't appear to solve the problem, did it? I think Bush's thoughtful and balanced plan has a real chance of actually DOING SOMETHING about the problem. He's been exposed to the problem for years living in Texas, and I have to think his years as governor there gave him some insight to dealing with the problem. This is the George Bush that was elected in 2000... the George Bush that tries to bring people together rather than driving them apart. I want to give him a chance with this one. It is the first policy from the Bush administration in years that doesn't have Cheney's or Rumsfeld's finger prints all over it. It almost makes me feel better about having voted for him in 2004. I think Bush is a basically decent man who is surrounded by people in power with little sense and even less morality.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger >>Did you notice something though? Virtually every year under Clinton the number deported increased. Deportation didn't appear to solve the problem, did it? << If you use that argument, then you should also say that Bush's policy obviously did a bang-up job since his numbers went down almost every year.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Anybody actually check the numbers versus the source documents? I'm a little skeptical that enforcement has really fallen as much under President Bush as claimed, but I'm too lazy to slog though a 220 page document to see.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo I went ahead and spot checked some figures such as the “intent to fine†notifications and the numbers seem to be accurate. See page 35 of the GAO and Table 61 of the INS 2001 Yearbook. I also checked some of the deportable aliens located statistics which can be found on Pg. 239 Table 57. I could do more but my time is limited today. Now I not saying that whoever compiled the figures doesn’t have an agenda; they obviously do. But I wouldn’t have expected in the post-9/11 era for these particular numbers to be down. <<Did you notice something though? Virtually every year under Clinton the number deported increased. Deportation didn't appear to solve the problem, did it?>> I’m not sure. From what I understand, the number of illegal immigration has increased exponentially since 2000. While a greater number of deportations in the 90s may not have “solved†the issue, decreasing enforcement certainly hasn’t helped. I do not want to make this a Clinton vs. Bush feud. I’m simply concerned with the decreasing trend in border security in the midst of the War of Terror. That being said, I think Bush’s plan is the only feasible solution to the problem outside of terrorizing millions of Latino households. Yes, they broke the law, yet an attempt at enforce the vast backlog of INS cases would bring utter chaos. We simply need to start over, NOW. But he needs to secure that border ASAP. Any plumber will tell you, you need to plug the leak before you decide what to do with the water. This is no different. Secure the border and then decide what to do with the illegal immigrants already here.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 After reading ALL those facts and figures-- how can anyone say either 'plan' worked. If that was an effort to show me what a bang up job Clinton did, it failed miserably. Ok so I give Clinton an F and Bush an F- on immigration up until now...big deal If you basement is flooded with 8 feet of water of 6.4 feet of water ( 20% less) - it's still flooded isn't it ? The recent plan looks like the best effort in 20 years, why not focus on that ?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The recent plan looks like the best effort in 20 years, why not focus on that ?>> Even though as a rule I haven't been real happy with Bush's second term, I agree with you 100%.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo I seriously doubt the intent behind this compilation of statistics was set up to praise Clinton. The study seems to primarily be used and circulated by Republicans who a frustrated with Bush’s immigration policies. <<The recent plan looks like the best effort in 20 years, why not focus on that?>> Because 20 years of neglect shouldn’t be excused simply because our government is finally getting around to doing something about it (and only after the people wer fed up). Don’t get me wrong, I am thrilled the issue is finally on the table. But it should not have taken so darn long.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Because 20 years of neglect shouldn’t be excused simply because our government is finally getting around to doing something about it (and only after the people wer fed up). Don’t get me wrong, I am thrilled the issue is finally on the table. But it should not have taken so darn long.<< Also, there is concern that its all just lip service, and at the end of the day it will be business as usual.
Originally Posted By fkurucz The astounding thing is that Bush just doesn't seem to care what the rank and file of the Republican party think about this issue. He is truly beholden to Wall St., Main St. be damned!
Originally Posted By patrickegan For over a year I’ve told the (R) party I’m not giving them a dime until the border is closed! So the way I figure I’m off the hook for good!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <The astounding thing is that Bush just doesn't seem to care what the rank and file of the Republican party think about this issue. He is truly beholden to Wall St., Main St. be damned!< Maybe finally someone is saying the GOP and the DEM's have screwed this up for so long, it is time to actually do something...I for one am happy with this....if this fails - forget Wall Street - blame the 100 senators, and both parties for not having the stones to do anything - period -- blame it on the other guy while the situation worsens by the day.....
