Originally Posted By utahjosh <You ought to be scared out of your gourd if they are armed at work. That's ridiculous.> I have no fear. I work at a very small software company.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <They've explained to me the training they have received. It's extensive.> Then perhaps you can explain it to us. Because I know I'm wondering why in the world people working at a software company would need to have extensive training of the type SPP was talking about, i.e. not just the use of a firearm but all the things SPP mentioned in #27. It just doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted By fkurucz **<I assume "excellent training" means "hunter safety classes."> You would assume incorrectly.** So the NRA is training people to be vigilantes? Nice. We can expect more George Zimmerman like fiascoes.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >><You ought to be scared out of your gourd if they are armed at work. That's ridiculous.> I have no fear. I work at a very small software company.<< I know of people outside the USA who are afraid to visit because of our gun violence epidemic. Some are now comparing us to Mexico.
Originally Posted By fkurucz Josh, why do you and your coworkers feel compelled to be armed at work? Bandits don't rob small software firms, they rob banks. Are you really that paranoid that someone is going to assault you at work? And have you ever noticed that banks these days don't have armed guards? It's for a reason. It's safer to just hand over some cash to the robber than risk a shootout. Is this the only way we will feel "safe": <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.gocomics.com/matt-bors/2012/12/17">http://www.gocomics.com/matt-b...12/12/17</a>
Originally Posted By utahjosh I do not feel compelled to be armed at work. I do not own a gun. And I never said that my coworkers were being trained as vigilantes by the NRA. How in the world did you make that leap?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Probably some sort of survivalist training in keeping with the LDS doctrine on preparing for the apocalypse.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Then perhaps you can tell us who did train them and what the training consisted of.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Sorry, another wrong assumption on this thread. It's Front Sight Firearms Training Institute. Defensive firearms classes.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Looks like you can get whatever level or ty pe of training you feel comfortable with there.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck My whole argument was not about the right or wrongs of concealed carry, the fact that the guy was needlessly killed without making any difference clearly falls in line with the stats. Whether or not he should have been carrying, the fact is he was. He made that choice, and when something bad happened, he decided to act. It got him killed, which may have been statistically probable, but he tried. Right or wrong, he tried. And I just think that warrants a little bit of respect, and not so much degradation.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I looked at frontsight, and it honestly looks better than I expected (with the caveat that obviously they're selling their services so will make it sound good). But even their most extensive training, while better than nothing, is not exactly police academy level. A course of a few days can teach some basics, correct some bad habits, and hopefully dispel some misconceptions. But it doesn't make you Rambo. Which, if you read some of the comments from people who have taken the course, a lot of people seem to think. Those who understand that it doesn't might benefit from such a course, a least a little (and in the unlikely event they'll ever have to use such skills). Those who don't understand that arguably become more dangerous.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Listen, I am not a extremist advocating that anyone should be able to carry any sort of gun at anytime. I think guns should be better regulated, absolutely. It's horrible what the proliferation of irresponsible gun owners has done to our country. I will also fight for my right to own a gun responsibly if I so choose, and advocate for safe, responsible gun ownership and against irresponsible gun ownership.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Two to four day courses. Alrighty. LAPD academy, just to use one example, is six months long and then a year to 18 months of probation as well as continual re-training. And then that training is reinforced every shift they work every day.
Originally Posted By utahjosh That's because they have to work that shift every day. I'm not an advocate for rambo-save-the-day type of training for your average joe. But if you want to own a gun, great. Get some responsible training. Keep updated each year or two.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I will also fight for my right to own a gun responsibly if I so choose> Well, since no one of any political consequence is advocating anything even remotely contrary to that, it's sort of like saying you'll fight for your right shave with a blade instead of those dang electrics that "they" want to force on us.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Yep. I'm glad about that. But looking at the posts of many here, it seems that many wish to eliminate guns from anyone except law enforcement. I was speaking in context, not reaching for extremes.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<Lot of random violent crime in Utah these days?>> Actually there was an article a few weeks ago about rising gang activity in Utah.
