Originally Posted By ecdc It's no longer ok to just label Obama a socialist and be done with it. Now the right-wing extremists (aka, the base) are comparing him to Hitler. Limbaugh did it, and now protesters are showing up to meetings with pictures of Obama next to Hitler, his name under a swastika, etc. Insistence that the left-wing is just as bad in three, two, one....
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo These airheads, I don't know if they make me wanna laugh or cry. How big is this group anyway, are they a really noisy minority, or are these anti Obama issues wide spread? He is very much liked and respected over here.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Wow, when you start comparing someone to Hitler you are pretty much conceding that you are out of arguments.
Originally Posted By ecdc It's a small, very obnoxious, very loud minority. Despite their minority status, they're so loud and so powerful that the Republican party refuses to disown them or cut them off. They refuse to speak out against them. It's like the Congressmen who started to grow a spine, then had to bow down and kiss the Rushfather's ring. The piper is calling for paying at the Republican party. For years they quietly relied on these crazy people to shore up the base, to energize the group, and to get out votes. Whatever you say about them, they are passionate, vocal, and they take action. They do not just sit around posting on the internet. But now, it's come back to bite them. Now, people are getting a glimpse of the racism and the ignorance that drives these people. People are watching them stand up in town halls and scream, "Keep government out of my Medicare!" They're watching them insult Latinos, and their thinly-veiled racism towards Obama. It's what some of us have been saying all along on these boards (and have been mocked and criticized for, BTW) - that the crazies are a huge, driving force in the Republican party. The proof is before our eyes the last six months.
Originally Posted By mawnck <-------Still not even slightly getting the Obama/Hitler connection, no matter how hard I try to stretch my imagination. Can someone please explain in what way Obama is like Hitler? Crazy answers will obviously be acceptable for the purposes of this query.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Can someone please explain in what way Obama is like Hitler? << Cause they're both Muslims.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Neither Hitler nor Obama was born in the country they would later rule. Obama was born in Kenya and Hitler was born on Petaluma. Hitler had a secretary named Heinz Obama. Obama has a secretary named Mildred Hitler.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Comparing the actions of the few idiots who are very vocal about their opinions to the rest of the Republican party is like me, choosing Michael Moore and his followers as the basline Democratic opinion. We all know Michael Moore is on the extreme left and does not speak for the majority of Democrats, just like these idiots don't speak for a majority of Republicans.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Neither Hitler nor Obama was born in the country they would later rule. Obama was born in Kenya and Hitler was born on Petaluma. Hitler had a secretary named Heinz Obama. Obama has a secretary named Mildred Hitler.<< Didn't Obama win a gold medal in the Berlin Olympics in 32 as well?? lol
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Crazy answers will obviously be acceptable for the purposes of this query.<< I would've thought that was obvious. Some important points: Hitler said he was a socialist. One of his names also starts with a vowel. Hitler was also born out of the United States, just like Obama. Also wrote a book as part of his rise to power. Obama supporters, as part of their bid to tyrannize America, secretly shout, "Heil Obama!" and salute at their televisions and computers whenever they see Barack - Der Fuhrer. Obama is secretly rounding up conservatives and putting them in concentration camps. I know this because Glenn Beck, crazy person, said so. Hitler had two adorable girls that melted Germany's heart. Unbeknownst to the American public, Obama actually has a toothbrush mustache, however, its' covered in prosthetics and makeup anytime he's in public.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Comparing the actions of the few idiots who are very vocal about their opinions to the rest of the Republican party is like me, choosing Michael Moore and his followers as the basline Democratic opinion. We all know Michael Moore is on the extreme left and does not speak for the majority of Democrats, just like these idiots don't speak for a majority of Republicans.<< That won't fly. I know it's the popular Republican response, but the evidence doesn't support it one iota. Several Republican Congressmen criticized Rush Limbaugh, only to recant and apologize later. How many Democrats have done that with Moore? Republican leaders are routinely interviewed and appear on Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck routinely egg these people on. What's the equivalent of that on the left? There's no reports or evidence of rabid left-wingers disrupting meetings. The moral equivalency argument is nonsense. We've been over this time and time again, and the facts showing that the rabid right wing is much more vocal, influential, and involved in Republican politics than the rabid left wing. But the same tired arguments pop up with clockwork predictability anytime someone dares criticize the Republicans for tolerating these psychos.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan But William, when will this majority of Republicans start telling Limbaugh to put a sock in it? Limbaugh and the "base" say they support Israel. And then, because they don't like Obama's fiscal policy or health care, they diminish the horrors of Nazi rule by comparing anyone they disagree with to Hitler. Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, Glenn beck -- they all enjoy huge ratings. I'd like to believe they don't speak for a majority of Republicans, and I've said that many times here. But honestly, I am starting to wonder if that's just my own wishful thinking. Where's the backlash from the fair-minded, principled conservatives out there? How long are they going to let these runaway trains shape the public image of the GOP? Even on here, Limbaugh is always defended in whatever he says.
Originally Posted By ecdc Exactly, 2oony. And whenever one of these rational people DOES speak up, they are immediately demonized as RINO's. If these people really are the fringe, and the mainstream Republican party is really not tolerating them, the evidence should be easy to summarize and post here. But we never see it. We just get "Blah blah blah, both parties do it, blah blah blah. No analysis, no proof, no evidence. If it's just that obvious, where is it?
Originally Posted By mele <<Obama supporters, as part of their bid to tyrannize America, secretly shout, "Heil Obama!" and salute at their televisions and computers whenever they see Barack - Der Fuhrer.>> DAMN IT, ecdc, what does "secretly" mean to you?!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan How many GOP types have had to apologize or recant statements they've made about Limbaugh? I dont know of a single GOP politico that will stand up to Limbaugh. At worst, you'll get a chuckle and "oh, that's just Rush being Rush" type comment. No accountability. And the irony of a man who prides himself on his loyal following of "dittoheads" comparing people to Hitler is rich indeed.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>At worst, you'll get a chuckle and "oh, that's just Rush being Rush" type comment. No accountability.<< Right. And they're positively schizophrenic about whether Rush, Hannity, Beck, et al are serious commentators or "just entertainers." When they're pushing the talking points and agenda, they're serious, thoughtful commentators. When they're outlandish and unhinged, they're "entertainers." Curious definition the GOP has of "entertainment." Apparently racism, comparing the President to Hitler, misogyny, demonizing people for their beliefs and opinions, and hoping the President fails is knee-slapping, rip-roaring good fun in the Republican party. I know whenever I hear someone say the President is putting people in concentration camps and advocating the death of old people vis a vis healthcare reform, I'm more entertained than I ever could be at Disneyland.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I have heard quite a few Democrats call President Bush alot worse names...Not excusing their behavior by any means, but President Bush was called literally every curse word in the book by countless individuals...
Originally Posted By hopemax I'm getting more disturbed by this behavior with how it is starting to affect our national dialog. With the Congressional recess, Senators and Representatives are coming home and setting up Town Halls to discuss Health Care reform. These fringe groups, while small on a national population scale, are still large enough to fill the rooms being used to hold these Town Halls. They are showing up, and ranting and screaming at whoever speaks. Say what you will about Michael Moore, where is evidence that 30-40 of his supporters are attending meetings around the country with the purpose of completely preventing meaningful dialog from occurring within the meeting. They organize petitions, they march on the street, they hold rallies of their own. But do they go into a room and whenever someone speaks against what they believe, shout them down so no one else in the room can hear? Here is an example from yesterday. Also it is hosted by Daily Kos the clips are from local Tampa news station. <a href="http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002028/" target="_blank">http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002028/</a> And then how do you handle this? If the police are called, you know what happens. They complain about their civil rights are violated because they should have the right to be heard.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I have heard quite a few Democrats call President Bush alot worse names...<< You also saw a rather large backlash when someone in the public eye did it, especially during his first term.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>I have heard quite a few Democrats call President Bush alot worse names...Not excusing their behavior by any means, but President Bush was called literally every curse word in the book by countless individuals...<<< I'm proud to be one of them, he was a cunning stunt, and was not democratically elected, a war criminal and more. BTW - I do find Michael Moore makes some excellent points and he is very entertaining too. However, we all know how biased he is, and he is not a democrat. He lost faith in them a long time ago sadly.
