Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Thought you guys would be as appalled over this news story as much as I am. <a href="http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/national/Father-Accused-of-Waterboarding-4YearOld-Daughter-Report-Claims_02650455" target="_blank">http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dp...02650455</a> <<<Joshua Tabor, 27, of Yelm, Wash., allegedly beat the child before holding her head under water Sunday night in the family's kitchen sink, The News Tribune reported. Tabor reportedly told a police officer that he and his girlfriend "held her down on the counter and submerged her head into the water three or four times until the water came around her forehead and jawline," according to the newspaper. The suspect said he punished the girl for "refusing to say her letters.">>>
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Sickening. I guess he can say he's just using "enhanced parenting techniques."
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Before we turn this into a military bash session, let me remind everyone that 1 idiot should not condemn an entire group....
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 So would anybody be against this guy getting the crap kicked out him?<< I say waterboard him...
Originally Posted By gadzuux Does anybody else see a connection between this incident and the right wing claims over the past several years excusing torture? Specifically waterboarding?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan When arguing against waterboarding and torture, I always said "If one of our soldiers was being waterboarded at the hands of Al Queda, would you consider it torture?" Usually the question wasn't answered. I'd say it is clearly a case of torture when an adult is simulating drowning on a 4 year old child in order to get her to recite her ABCs. At least we can agree on that... right?
Originally Posted By DAR <<When arguing against waterboarding and torture, I always said "If one of our soldiers was being waterboarded at the hands of Al Queda, would you consider it torture?" Usually the question wasn't answered.>> Of course it would be torture. <<I'd say it is clearly a case of torture when an adult is simulating drowning on a 4 year old child in order to get her to recite her ABCs. At least we can agree on that... right?>> Absolutely, but I'm not against this guy getting the piss beat out of him. And I get the sanctimonious that's not who we are speech but sometimes that's what people deserve.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Of course it would be torture. >>> So DAR, would you then agree that the US policy of waterboarding certain suspects amounted to an official policy of torture?
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 <<< Of course it would be torture. >>> So DAR, would you then agree that the US policy of waterboarding certain suspects amounted to an official policy of torture?<< Big difference between waterboarding a 4 year old who can't recite her ABCs and the waterboarding of a suspect who may have information to save American lives.
Originally Posted By DAR 13-Sure but I don't care because their terrorists and they can go screw themselves.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Sure but I don't care because their terrorists and they can go screw themselves.<< And awayyyyyyy we go!
Originally Posted By DAR No, no away we go. My fault, if you can call it that, is I don't give a crap about what happens to terrorists be it that they're killed tortured or tried and convicted, if people don't like it I don't care.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> the waterboarding of a suspect who may have information to save American lives. << Why stop there? Why not drop them in a pot of boiling oil? Chop off their fingers? Threaten their families? It's the old 'slippery slope' argument. I mean, if it's okay to torture them "a little bit", why not step it up? After all, american lives may be at stake!
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy I think DAR would be enlightened to sit down and have a beer with some of my special forces buddies. If he only knew how haphazardly we rounded up most of these "terrorists" in Afghanistan and Iraq without any substantive reason, he would probably be shocked. There's a reason why we have only sent a handful of these guys to trial or a military tribunal -- we don't have a single shred of documented evidence to justify an indictment or conviction for 90% of the detainees out there.
