Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Get ready for the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish. Only its not going to be a direct translation. <a href="http://thehive.modbee.com/?q=node/917" target="_blank">http://thehive.modbee.com/?q=n ode/917</a>
Originally Posted By EdisYoda What the people behind this don't realize is that they are pushing people further away from their cause... not uniting anyone other then themselves. And from what I have started to hear on other sites, there are some Latinos who are very much against this as well!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <a href="http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1898460&WNT=true" target="_blank">http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/ story?id=1898460&WNT=true</a>
Originally Posted By PlainoLJoe this is nothing more than a publicity stunt and it is worse than a spit on the flag and the United States.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Bush pans Spanish "Star-Spangled Banner" Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:01 PM BST Printer Friendly | Email Article | RSS By Matthew Robinson NEW YORK (Reuters) - The "Star-Spangled Banner" debuted on Friday with new Latin beat and Spanish lyrics but it did not win a glowing review from President George W. Bush, who said the cherished national anthem should be sung in English. Latin American artists recorded "Nuestro Himno" (Our Anthem) to stir immigrants to turn out for a national boycott and marches for rights across the country on May 1. Instead they stirred up the ire of those who see it as further polarizing Americans. One Internet columnist dubbed it "The Illegal Alien Anthem." Bush told reporters at a White House Rose Garden news conference the anthem would not have the same value sung in Spanish. "The national anthem ought to be sung in English. And I think people who want to be citizens of this country ought to learn it in English. They ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English." The artists on the song include Gloria Trevi, Ivy Queen, Carlos Ponce as well as Haitian American singer Wyclef Jean. It was released through Urban Box Office. The buildup to the May 1 immigrants' rights event has fuelled a debate that has divided Congress, the Republican Party, and public opinion. Conservatives want the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants deported and a fence built along the border with Mexico. Bush has risked the ire of his own Republican party by supporting a guest-worker program and a path to citizenship. SPANISH TRANSLATION The idea of translating the U.S. national anthem into Spanish followed an April rally for immigrants in Washington when Spanish-speakers were handed cards printed with the words to the anthem printed in English and with a phonetic pronunciation guide underneath. "We wanted to teach the anthem and the Pledge (of Allegiance), so we came up with the idea of the national anthem in Spanish," said Juan Carlos Ruiz, the general coordinator of the National Capital Immigration Coalition, which will receive a portion of the proceeds from the CD the song will appear on. "There are people who are going to attack us no matter what we do. We want to be a part of this country," Ruiz said. "We want to improve America." He said the Spanish version attempts to convey the meaning of the lyrics rather a direct translation. "We tried to show the meaning of the song," he said. "It has a Latin beat and a Reggaeton beat which are basically our cultural music," Ruiz added. Internet columnist Michelle Malkin, who has called it the "The Illegal Alien Anthem" in blogs this week, and others complain that that the lyrics are rewritten, adding phrases like "We are brothers, that's our anthem." The "Star-Spangled Banner" was written by Francis Scott Key in 1814 during the War of 1812 with Britain and was sung to the tune of "To Anacreon in Heaven," a British drinking song. It became the national anthem in 1931.>>
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "The national anthem ought to be sung in English. And I think people who want to be citizens of this country ought to learn it in English. They ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English." I couldn't agree more. There are some things that just don't have any give, and this is one of them. While I can appreciate the sentiment involved, I don't appreciate at all altering it on any way. Learn it the way it was written, warts and all.
Originally Posted By fkurucz What's especially odd is that it doesn't even sound like SSB. Never mind the PC lyrics. It almost sounds like something a hispanic crooner would sing on Sabado Gigante.
Originally Posted By Shooba It's one thing to bring your own cultural traditions and activities with you when you move to a new country. It's a good thing when everyone can enjoy and share in each others traditions. Diversity is a good thing. It's quite another thing to move to another country and insist that existing beliefs and customs be changed to meet your needs. If you don't like the culture that exists somewhere, by all means feel free not to immigrate there.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I'm sorry. This is so minor in the total scheme of things that I have a really hard time caring one way or another. They might as well change the words. The dang song is un-singable anyway. Besides... look how we bastardize Cinco de Mayo. We've taken a holiday which celebrates the victory of the Mexican Army over the French at the Battle of Puebla on the 5th of May, 1862. Here they are celebrating a holiday about BEATING THE FRENCH and we've turned it into a crummy excuse for offering twofers on margaritas at places serving lousy Tex-Mex. How disrespectful is that?? Let 'em sing as far as I'm concerned.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I don't know why anyone would be surprised by this. When your country is overrun by people from another country who are allowed to break the law and get support from some in America, they are going to start pushing their culture on us more and more. They could care less about America, who we are, our culture, our history. France is going thru this now with Muslims and their country is screwed.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Here they are celebrating a holiday about BEATING THE FRENCH and we've turned it into a crummy excuse for offering twofers on margaritas at places serving lousy Tex-Mex." YOU might go where there's lousy food, but I know of more than a few places who serve killer margaritas and good Mexican food. Matter of fact, I'm going to one of those places for lunch today with a former Playmate AND with my wife's blessing. So there.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I won't lost sleep over this but they aren't winning me over with this either.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Besides... look how we bastardize Cinco de Mayo.<< Let me just say that if we returned the favor (translating the Mexican national anthem using self serving lyrics) that the Mexicans would be even angrier than we are. Here is one of may favorite lines from that anthem: "Mas si osare un extran~o enemigo profanar con su planta tu suelo, recuerda patria querida que el cielo un soldado en cada hijo te dio" "If a strange (foreign) enemy dares to profane your soil with the bottom of his foot, remember beloved country that heaven gave you a soldier in every son" Imagine we changed that to something about how foreigners can't help where they were born and that they are part of our family.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Besides... look how we bastardize Cinco de Mayo.>> What ever your beliefs or feelings of Cinco de Mayo are it is not a US National Holiday. The Star Spangled Banner is OUR National anthem.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<What ever your beliefs or feelings of Cinco de Mayo are it is not a US National Holiday. The Star Spangled Banner is OUR National anthem.>> Yes but IT IS a Mexican National Holiday... and look at what we do to it. That was the point.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Why all the controversy over immigration anyway? I think virtually everyone on these boards is a descendent of a foreign immigrant (except perhaps for Lisann22 if I remember correctly). Why do we want to slam the door shut after it had been held open for our grandparents and great-grandparents? There are plenty of minimum wage jobs that go unfilled because American workers don’t want to work for that pay. There are also many jobs that go unfilled because American workers don’t want work that dirty and physically demanding (roofing and meat packing come to mind). What is wrong with allowing these people in on a visitor basis to work at these jobs? Half the problem now with crime, dependence on public services, etc. comes from their status as illegals. When you are being forced to live a shadowy existence it is darned hard to adopt a middle class lifestyle. If we documented these working visitors we would be able to keep track of them much better. We could require businesses that hire these workers to provide some sort of affordable health coverage (for ALL their workers) so that dependence on public services would be reduced. We could require that at least one person in the family must be working full time within 30 days of their arrival or they would be required to go back. If you are to control problems like this you have to be able to identify who you are looking for. When you force people to go underground you lose that ability. And don’t give me the usual whine about this is not a Spanish speaking country. It wasn’t a German speaking country or an Italian speaking country either. But if you went to any large city on the East Coast during the early 20th century there were many areas where that was the only language spoken. But most all of their children learned English, just as the children of Mexicans in this country learn English. Why was it good enough for us but not for them?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Why was it good enough for us but not for them? >> Because OUR ancestors ALL did it leagally. We are a country ruled by LAWS. Not a country ruled by man. We have immigration LAWS that have been in place for hundreds of years. These TRESPASSERS are demonstrating a complete and total disregard for our laws by entering this country and staying in this country. If we were to enter and stay in Mexico without a passport or visa we would be committing a felony in Mexico. So any attempt for any political party to blantently disregard the immigration laws current on the books as far as I'm concerned has lost my respect. But somehow these Mexicans think they are above the laws of OUR land, and that they should not have to go through the same process of immigration that EVERYONE else has had to do. These Mexicans believe that the rules don't apply to them but should apply to everyone else. So they can move to the front of the line. People waving Mexican flags at rallys, demonstrations and "walk outs" aren't intrested in this Republic. I just wish they demonstrated half of their patriotism toward changing their own country of origin as they have demonstrated in wreaking political havoc in ours. These individuals are not intrested in assimulating into OUR culture. They are insisting that OUR culture accomidate them. I for one have no intrest in turning our social programs into an internation relief fund.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Thank you RoadTrip, my stomach has been turning and turning on what and how to post. You said a lot of what I wanted too. I'm part Native American, not 100%. My elders came from all over and not that many generations back: Spain, Mexico, Portagul, Germany and Italy. Some came legally, some didn't. I understand the financial issues and strain of our resources this causes but geez, I thought in this day and age we were better than what either side is resorting to bring it all to a head.
