Originally Posted By kpwdwfan Once again it appears that some people are taking it upon themselves to trash Splash Mountain like it's their hobby. Last year I rode Splash Mountain several times during a week long visit and couldn't help but notice that amount of trash strewn throughout the attraction. The trash remained in the atrtraction day after day. I recall a thread concerning this problem last year and eventually Splash Mountain received an rehab and the problem was rectified. On a recent visit to Splash Mountain I noticed people are sticking their used wads of gum all over the place. The first scene after Slippin Falls has gum everywhere. Unfortunately the gum hadn't been cleaned up during our week long visit. I hate to complain but I can't stand it when people have no respect for other people's property and diminish the experience for everyone else. No wonder Disney doesn't sell gum in their parks.
Originally Posted By alexbook At DL this past weekend, I started noticing litter everywhere. I had to make a deliberate, conscious effort to block it out at times, so as not to ruin my mood. Some of the trash is in such odd and inaccessible places, too. There was this one box on Big Thunder Mountain that I'm still wondering about. The thing that bugged me most was trash floating in the Rivers of America. I mean, what are people thinking? How do they expect the CM's to clean that up? (Come to think of it, how *do* they clean it up?)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 People are self-centered pigs in the 21st century. The problem is its not just the guests. The Disney execs who cut custodial budgets to meet quotas and earn bonuses are self-centered swine as well. And, ultimately, it's their fault. They are the business owners. They need to clean up messes as soon as they happen to avoid the masses pack/pig instincts to litter and trash the parks.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Oops, posted post haste and other than the 'it's' typo ... we have a more important one ... No, the execs are not the owners any more than a stockholder like myself. But they are the managers. They are in charge. They have standards and a legacy to uphold. So anyway I look at it, it is management's fault. People were absolute pigs back in the 1970s ... anyone remember people just heaving refuse out their car windows? But DL and WDW looked pristine back then. I EXPECT and DEMAND the same today.
Originally Posted By kpwdwfan People may disagree with this opinion but I beleive things have gotten a little better in the last year at WDW. Last year was the worst I'd had ever seen. Last year it was common to see overfilled trash barrels, trash on the ground and extremely dirty bathrooms. In 05' I rode Buzz and the queue looked like a war zone with trash everywhere and soda spilled on the floor, it was disgusting. I agree that budget cuts have clearly contributed to this problem but people in general should have some respect. Unfortunately it will never be like it was 20 years ago but I thought this visit was leaps and bounds better than my visits in 05'.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys ^^ I think it's been getting steadily worse year by year. The only question remains is when will it affect people's decison to continue going. Most of us older crowd will always go because we go for what it USED to be. The newer crowd will have to decide if WDW is special or just another amusement park.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Buzz is always one of the worst queues. I wonder if they even clean it once a day. As to '06 being better than '05, I think it's very subjective. It literally depends on park, day of visit, time of visit, level of crowds etc ... sometimes I've been pleasantly surprised. Epcot was extremely clean on July 4th for example. But it does vary tremendously. Disney was always consistent in cleanliness ... much like safety ... show qualiy ... CMs etc ... now, it's like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna git!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Unfortunately it will never be like it was 20 years ago but I thought this visit was leaps and bounds better than my visits in 05'. >> Well, maybe I'm just a crazy person who life has passed by. Maybe I'm just dumb and not willing to accept that everyone will accept a WalMart quality product. But I don't think so. There's no reason but utter corporate greed and incompetence as to why WDW isn't as clean as it was 20 years ago. None.
Originally Posted By kpwdwfan I agree that comparing the cleaniness from 05' to 06 is very subjective but from my perspective is was cleaner this year. Then again I guess when you hit rock bottom there's only one way to go. At least I hope there's only one way to go but you never know nowadays.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <People are self-centered pigs in the 21st century. < this is true anywhere you go and it is disgusting. <People were absolute pigs back in the 1970s ... anyone remember people just heaving refuse out their car windows?< I do remember this, it is the time when they raised littering fees on highways like 10 fold.
Originally Posted By kpwdwfan Shouldn't be expecting more from Disney. Doesn't the whole "magic of Disney" have an impact on people anymore. It wasn't always like this at Disney, even in the 70's. People need to get a clue and have some respect for themselves and others. Some days Disney looks like the local theme park. We should never accept "Walmart type quality" from Disney and I'm sure that's why so many people read and write posts here and in so many other places.
Originally Posted By pitapan16 I feel the same way about smokers who throw there cig butts on the ground. I like the California commercial which shows a guy answering a knock on his front door in which he gets up to open the door and acouple guys stat dumping bags of trash in his front living room. His facial expression shows his dislike, and the the commercial reads, "Don't trash California."
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<We should never accept "Walmart type quality" from Disney and I'm sure that's why so many people read and write posts here and in so many other places. >> No. We shouldn't. I have no intention of ever doing so. And, no, I don't feel it's hopeless in the least. As a matter of fact, I'm optimistic about what the future may hold. But sometimes you need to turn the pressure up ... or confront people in public forums where they really don't want the attention.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I think it is irronic, and there is a measure of degradation that can be seen in Epcot. When HISTA opened and Nicky says something about worrying the Disney sweeping people will sweep us up, it was funny, because it could have been true. When you watch it now, you think, what sweeping people? How sad.
Originally Posted By danyoung >As a matter of fact, I'm optimistic about what the future may hold.< Wait, you mean to tell me that your glass is HALF FULL????
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Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> There's no reason but utter corporate greed and incompetence as to why WDW isn't as clean as it was 20 years ago. None. << This is just a bit strong. C'mon now. There have been budget cuts in custodial areas and I even agree that they've gone too far in those cuts. However, "utter corporate greed and incompetence" makes it sound like they get pleasure out of it. If such people exist at Disney, I've never met them.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>> There's no reason but utter corporate greed and incompetence as to why WDW isn't as clean as it was 20 years ago. None. << This is just a bit strong. C'mon now. There have been budget cuts in custodial areas and I even agree that they've gone too far in those cuts. However, "utter corporate greed and incompetence" makes it sound like they get pleasure out of it. If such people exist at Disney, I've never met them.< I agree with ssWEDguy here-- there is penny pinching going on to be sure...but utter greed..I doubt the bottomline is THAT affected by this...couple that with the fact people seem to be pigs now... and yes it is a recipe for lowered manitenance standards than we were used to and I'd also like to see that area improved.
Originally Posted By kpwdwfan Guests are clearly contributing to this problem in a big way which should cause management to increase staffing not cut it. Cleaniness, pristine grounds and attractions used to be the standard of all Disney parks. I guess most people don't care about Disney they way some of us do.
