Originally Posted By brotherdave Thanks, figment1986. I was always curious of how they managed guests in wheelchairs for Pirates.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN In regards to chairs... I forgot to mention we did come to a complete stop with in the Mansion last night. So, makes me wonder if there is no "crawling" in regards to wheelchair boardings...
Originally Posted By figment1986 <<But I do understand that it would be hard to manipulate a w/c around those aisles and people.>> Thats why I'm happy the elevator is where it is, the pirates store is to cramped in the back to move... there is a side entrance which is near the restrooms to access the store from, also that area of the store is more friendly for manual wheelchairs.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I think they should move the store indoors to it's former location and allow the POTC exit to breathe again.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 CMDAD, you are right that there are no easy solutions, but the misues/abuse of these are out of control. And if anyone wants to understand the epidemic of childhood obesity in this country, all they had to do was be in Fantasyland around 4 p.m. today ... on a day that I wouldn't even consider meoderately crowded, almost the entire walkway between PhilharMagic and the Carousel was blocked with parked double-wide strollers (and some ECVs and wheelchairs too). I'm sorry, but if your child is old enough to walk (and that's between 3-5 for most) they should be expected to do so. This is such a joke it's sick really ... lazy, fat parents who are selfish and don't want breaks or to leave the parks and they allow their kids to be pushed around all day. pathetic
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Even more pathetic are the expanded rears in line for the McDonald fries they sell in the park in those extra-extra large containers not even the real McDonald's restaurants use anymore. I think they should play the "Super Size Me" documentary on tv in those cart queues...
Originally Posted By CMDad <<CMDAD, you are right that there are no easy solutions, but the misues/abuse of these are out of control.>> Spirit, I agree with you 100%. I have seen it in my own family (cousins, not immediate - I would never have stood for it!) I started taking my kids to the parks when they were 2 and 4 years old. They both walked - even at that age - as long as we were there. I admit that they were always good travelers and knew what was expected of them. I wouldn't have had it any other way. I hate to stereotype, but too many parents today find it easier to allow the system to be abused (and abuse it themselves) than to parent, and teach right from wrong. (Okay - this hits a nerve for me which is greater than simply this issue.)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^ Plus as I remember back when my kids where young ( and they walked everywhere- home and on vacation after about 18- 24 months ) - who wants to hassle with the stupid strollers anyway. What a pita ! There was a post here a while back about a Dad getting so ticked at one of those folding SUV's he heaved it off the tram and left it there. I can relate to that. For the short time we even brought a stroller - it was always the light weight umbrella stroller - small - thin - weighs almost nothing. Basically used it when they would nap slightly - ( although we always tried to go back to the room at regular nap time - rather than drag the kids around in a coma) -- the generation today though seems to think that every kid has to have 30 toys - a weeks supply of food - and 3 changes of clothes with them at all times - like we were on safari, not in WDW. My new favorite are the strollers with the built in CD players - can never stimulate those kids too much. Crazy !
Originally Posted By CMDad ^^^ I know this is slightly off topic, but your story reminds me of an incident very recently where my wife and I were at a "family" restaurant for dinner. A couple with a young (3? 4 year old?) child came in and sat down. The parents pulled out a portable DVD player, put a Barney (or some such) DVD in and started it ... LOUDLY! Aside from being ludicrous, it was obnoxious and annoying. Does any child really need constant stimulation to behave? Or a constant baby sitter? How about teaching the child the proper behavior from the start? The bottom line is that I have turned out two very successful children who have at times thanked my wife and myself for not allowing them to become what so many kids appear to be becoming today.
Originally Posted By bayrr326 Don't even get me started about the strollers. We were walking from the parking lot to the TTC under the road and some lady ran right thru me with the stroller cause she expected me to move out of her way. I can't count the times that people with strollers have hit me or run over my foot. They never used to be this bad. When we take my girlfriends 5 year old to the parks she walks. And guess what she isn't fat and lazy. Even though after the last few incidents I want to rent her a stroller so I can push her around the park while yelling"Excuse me, child in stroller move out of my way" or "Sorry I hit your foot but I have a child in a stroller so you should have moved out of my way"
Originally Posted By CMDad I guess it couldn't be any worse than when I had my dad at the parks about a year ago. It was his first time out after his broken ankle had healed, and he was in his own ECV. (Actually it was my mom's before she passed away.) He would go through the parks yelling "Outta my way" or "Look out". My wife and I trued to make him understand that is was rude, and for a few times he did yell "Excuse me", but that didn't last long. <sigh> Parents - dress 'em up and you can't take them anywhere! <G>
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Having just returned from using Disney transport to get to/from/between Epcot and Disney-MGM, I can't begin to tell you how much time is wasted while waiting for people to load ECVs they need only due to obesity and laziness ... one guy was practically lifting the thing to get it on the ramp .. if you can do that from a standing position, you can probably walk ... and all the strollers?!??! People never fold them up, so you have to wait ... then they take up a seat and/or block you. It is a disaster and it wasn't this way even a decade ago, although that's about when it started ... and you never see scenes like this played out at DL or DLP.
Originally Posted By CMDad ^^^ That's where I get jostled by strollers constantly - even more than the foot collision in the parks. Parents have these huge strollers these days that carry all their worldly possessions ... and possibly even their kids! And they are often wider than the aisles in the bus.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 <<<My new favorite are the strollers with the built in CD players - can never stimulate those kids too much.>>> C'mon vbdad, I'm very gullible, please tell me you're joking about this!!! Please???
Originally Posted By danyoung >The parents pulled out a portable DVD player, put a Barney (or some such) DVD in and started it ... LOUDLY!< I have mixed feelings about this, except for the loud part - that's what headphones are for! A couple WDW trips ago, I was eating dinner in Le Cellier beside a nice young couple and their 2-3 year old daughter. She had a dvd player with headphones, and was quietly enjoying cartoons while mom & dad had a nice dinner. Now, I generally feel like you, in that kids should learn early on how to behave at the table. But it was hard to argue with the success of that family's arrangement. The child was happy, the parents were happy, and the other diners nearby (ME!) were happy. Sometimes you just gotta cave in to technology . . .
Originally Posted By CMDad ^^^ True - it would not have bothered me if they had used headphones, but what is that teaching the child? However, on vacation when eating out is a part of it - if the child has not already learned how to be have (and why hasn't he/she?) then yes, I do find the use of a DVD acceptable.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<<My new favorite are the strollers with the built in CD players - can never stimulate those kids too much.>>> C'mon vbdad, I'm very gullible, please tell me you're joking about this!!! Please???< Oh how I wish I was. I live in a town that consistently ranks in top 10 Money magazine places to live...very nice, great parks, library system school systeme tc-- but with that comes the certain % of the population that has more than just about anybody and is dying to show it off. Maclaren I believe is the brand - they make a large number of strollers in the $350 - $1000 range. The one everyone was ogling in our downtown area had all leather and a CD player. Other companies out there like stokke xplory and others all in the $800 type range. insanity in all it's finest. I'm figuring soon they will all be in custom shop getting DVD systems and A/C
