Originally Posted By RoadTrip One thing I have noticed on these boards and elsewhere... The people that I had previously pegged as Republicans (or stated so) are now the ones shouting the loudest about how their personal situation is all the fault of government, big business, etc. While it is those that I previously thought were Democrats who are now the ones preaching personal responsibility, etc. I guess it all comes down to whose ox is being gored. Back when things were going great for the upper 50%; Republicans were all about personal responsibility for those who were hurting. It was "those people's" fault that they were where they were, and they were supposed to stop crying and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. During this period the Democrats were saying that the government had some responsibility for the plight of the poor, and that something should be done to assist them. Fast forward to today... The formerly very well off Republicans are now looking for the government to do something to help them out of their jam. Meanwhile the Democrats, taking a certain amount of glee in seeing the shoe on the other foot for once, are all about personal responsibility for the upwardly mobile yuppies that are now having trouble making the Lexus payment. Yes, we are ALL flip-floppers!! LOL
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA The term 'flip-flopper' is so odd to me. Do we all come out of the womb with a particular set of values that we're supposed live with for the rest of our lives? I don't work that way. I'm constantly trying to see all sides of a situation. I feel it makes me a better person. If that makes me a 'flip-flopper' -- so be it.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA The term 'flip-flopper' is so odd to me. Do we all come out of the womb with a particular set of values that we're supposed live with for the rest of our lives? I don't work that way. I'm constantly trying to see all sides of a situation. I feel it makes me a better person. If that makes me a 'flip-flopper' -- so be it.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Jim, based on what you said, I would have thought that the second post would have been the opposite of the first. What's up with that?
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf I flip flop all the time (got tired of my tevas and berkenstocks are so last decade...)
Originally Posted By Mrs ElderP I've been known to change my mind a time or two too. I don't mind "I've changed my mind" from a politician, espcially if the attitude shift appears to be genuine and heart felt. (I mean, thank goodness Strom Thumond and the others finally flip-floped on segregation!) And, although I understand that the natural order of things is to move towards the "base" of the party during primaries and back to the center of American electorate during the generals, dramatic swings still leave me sea-sick. (or is it just sick?) As for the first post, please remember that I work hard and make virtuous choices all the time, so this pickle that I'm in has to be *someone else's* fault! (And yes, I do have selective memory, why do you ask?)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Sorr, I still see the Dem's as trying to legistlate everything through gov't control - not sure I see the flip flop on that. I hope this isn't for me as I want less gov't intervention not more - but in issues that affect the entire nation - and are not states issues, and sure as hell not personal responsibility issues like the offshoring of 9M white collar jobs andthe allowing of virtually all manufacturing to leave the country - yes I think that is a Fed responsibility. and I hate to break it to you, there are likely as many Lexus driving Yuppies )( is that really still a relevant term) - that subscribe to being Democrats as there are who are Republicans. This whole concept of GOP= rich and DEM = Poor is mind boggling. Go into the cities of Chicago / NY - LA and most people are Dem's and plenty of them are ' yuppies'
Originally Posted By DlandDug There have been legitimate charges of flip flopping over the years. The problem is that in our current "gotcha" form of partisan politics, any deviation from a previously held position is immediately decried as a flip flop. What's really weird is when someone is charged with flip flopping when they take an unexpected position on an issue they'd never previously delineated! To me, a true flip flop is when someone makes a change that is obviously the result of expediency, rather than new facts or a change of heart. For example, when Obama broke his pledge to accept public campaign financing, that was clearly a change based on expediency (he will get much more through private channels). On the other hand, Obama's recent pledge to expand faith-based initiatives doesn't strike me as a flip flop, since I don't recall he had ever articulated a particular stand on this.
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Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I hope this isn't for me>> vbdad... it wasn't for you or for anyone in particular. In fact it wasn't even entirely serious. In another thread The Spirit said that I was sounding more like a Republican than a Democrat. I figured if that was true I must be a gigantic flip-flopper. ;-) As DlandDug pointed out, flip-flopper is totally overused these days, which led to my comment that we are all flip-floppers. Usually I'm not very subtle... I guess this time I was too much so (although in my defense, I DID put an "LOL" at the end of the post!).
Originally Posted By dshyates I always perfered the term "Waffler" over flip-flopper. Its just more fun to say. "Waffler".
Originally Posted By vbdad55 that makes sense -- Waffle House sounds better than FlipFlop House ( flop house nota good term) -
