Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 In September,Robert Igler said that there are no current plans to build a fifth theme park (fifth gate) in WDW. However, there was a disney immagineering contest this past summer and the project of the winning team was a roller coaster inside of a castle which was villain themed. Everyone knows that people ahve been talking about a villians theme thrill park for years. Disneys version of IOA but so much better. There are so many projects going on all across property. If a fifth gate was in the early stages, would anyone know about it? I don't think Disney would say anything to early on. There track record is about every 10 years or so. Its been 10 since AK. I go to the parks very frequently and they are always busy no matter what the season. Mickey definitely has the reason to make another park.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I would prefer not to see another park. Quality at WDW has been compromised over quantity, and it will only get worst if they keep adding unneeded parks to the roster. I much prefer they take down old dated rides and shows and updated with new rides and other attractions.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss TDLFAN and dennis beat me to the punch. Just say "NO" to a fifth park.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 What attractions should be fixed before they make way for a fifth gate?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^WDW already has. This is one of those Internet/urban/CM rumors that won't die, even though it has long since had its ashes spread throughout the Mansion and PoC. While WDW is likely to see another water park ... and other entertainment venues, a fifth gate isn't going to happen, today, tomorrow, five years from now or 15. It just isn't. They reached a saturation point years ago, and are very aware of this. People don't have infinite vacations (unless they're Europeans or Canadians or Asians etc ...) and canibalization has already entered the equation.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 There is know way that Disney is going to pass on making a fifth gate with all that unused space. I Just think the transition from Eisner To Eigler slowed down the momentum. He his currently fixing a bunch of problems the company was going through and doing a great job so far. Like stopping second rate dvd animated sequels, turning the disney stores back to real stores and not bargain basements. The work in the parks have been great as well. both in the U.S. and abroad. I would be stunned if they didn't make some type of announcement in the next few years.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Prepare to be stunned. It isn't happening. Take it from someone who knows. Ultimately, it isn't a good business move and that's why it won't happen. Sorrry to burst your bubble, but that's reality.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>There is know way that Disney is going to pass on making a fifth gate with all that unused space.<< What's a "know way"? >>Take it from someone who knows.<< That answered my question.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 People speculated about an expansion at DCA for awhile. People kept talking about a possible carsland and fireworks show, ect. Artist renderings appeared on-line. And months later everything was officially announced. Why would Disney take the time to hold an immagineering contest if they weren't going to do anything with the winner. The winning attraction was a castle. I don't know, I'm just a die-hard Disney fan. I visit the property atleast once a week. I have a good idea about how they think as a company. Honestly, at the end of the day, if there was a fifth gate being planned, until everyone knew about it, the only people who would know are Eigler and the imagineers.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<People speculated about an expansion at DCA for awhile. People kept talking about a possible carsland and fireworks show, ect. Artist renderings appeared on-line. And months later everything was officially announced.>> That wasn't idle speculation. Everyone with any connection to the company knew there were going to be major changes coming. Sure, the details weren't all known -- they still aren't as things are changing now! You seem new around here, so I don't want you to take this personally or anything. But there are some folks around here with connections inside the Mouse House so we have some idea what we're talking about (sadly, I'm not one of them!) <<Why would Disney take the time to hold an immagineering contest if they weren't going to do anything with the winner. The winning attraction was a castle.>> I don't know anything about a contest, but it doesn't equate to building abother park. Disney doesn't solicit/accept ideas for parks/attractions/ etc ... <<I don't know, I'm just a die-hard Disney fan. I visit the property atleast once a week. I have a good idea about how they think as a company. Honestly, at the end of the day, if there was a fifth gate being planned, until everyone knew about it, the only people who would know are Eigler and the imagineers.>> That's largely true. And Iger and senior company officials have said both in the media and behind closed doors that they will not be building another park at WDW. And I, for one, think that's a GREAT thing!
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 Don't worry spirit, I don't take any of this stuff personally. These are forums for discussion and we are doing just that.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Of course as fans it's nice to dream about new projects. But from a business standpoint, a fifth park is a bad idea. It won't increase tourism, so it won't increase profits; indeed, it would likely be a money loser, since they would be doing nothing but adding expenses. On top of that, where would the company get the additional staff to run the park? It's hard enough keeping however many people WDW already employs without adding another gate.
Originally Posted By jonvn So, if they don't build another theme park, what are they going to do with all the land they have? Maybe they could build a city of tomorrow or something crazy like that.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Jon, they have far less land than you'd likely imagine. A large chunk can never be developed (Thank Walt!) and must stay in its natural state. I believe this is somewhere in the neighborhood of 6,000 acres. Another huge chunk in Osceola County weny bye-bye when Disney made the decision to build Celebration. Now, do they have land for a fifth gate? Sure. Probably a sixth and seventh if they wanted to depending on size and infrastructure. But, right now, the only thing Disney seems intent on building in Central Florida is DVC timeshares ... one might wonder about the intelligence of that considering the amount of home foreclosures (Central Florida is one of the nation's tops in this dept), but apparently, they feel if Americans can't afford to buy/keep them that Europeans will more than ably fill in. We'll see.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros As for the Imagineering competetion, from what I know, this is an annual event for college students in engineering, architecture, and creative writing. Students from across the country come up with their ideas for their dream thing for Disney to build. It can be an entire park, hotel, restuarant, attraction, or something else. They are judged based on the creativity of the design and quality of presentations. All entries become Disney's property if they want to use them, but to my knowledge, they never have (and this has been going on for many years now). While it would be neat to see a lot of these things, many of them are so elaborate that they would just cost too much to build or don't have an area where they would fit within the existing infrastructure in any of the parks.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Here's the official information about it: <a href="http://disney.go.com/disneycareers/imaginations/" target="_blank">http://disney.go.com/disneycar eers/imaginations/</a>
Originally Posted By DVC_dad LOL ROFL!!! Sorry Spirit, you know I LOVE you, but I couldn't resisit cutting this out to read as follows !!! LOLOLOL <<<we have some idea what we're talking about (sadly, I'm not one of them!) >>>
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Well, being a dreamer that I am, my two cents says this: I would love to see a 5th park. Why? To get some of the masses out of the other 4 parks. I don't see it ever happening either. I think what will happen is WDW will continue to increase prices across the board until eventually the price slows people coming to the point that the WDW resort is the absolute most profitable. In short, I think we will see a WDW in the future that only say the top 20% of people can afford to visit. Who knows? But I'd love love love love love to see a 5th park. And as for WDW being packed all the time, it really isn't. Maybe the parks are, but the hotels and water parks aren't always packed to the gills but yet they have to still be manned and operated. Not only that, I won't believe that WDW will build another park until that Pirate and Parrott taco place re-opens across from POTC. Hey it's silly, but think about it.
Originally Posted By jonnyrzone420 I look at it from this angle, There are thousands of families that visit the property every year. Granted, you can come every year and have a completely different vacation each time. This being a result of new attractions, resorts, entertainment, attraction rehabs and closures, ect. Also, if you love disney enough to come here once a year, you are not the person who gets tired of HM, POTC, SSE, ITTBAB, TOT, or Star Tours. However, after a while of coming down here and planning your seven days around four theme parks and the best way to tackle them becomes stale. I think disney recognizes this. They continue to open properties all over the world including parks and resorts and I even heard of a resort being planned in the middle east. If they are up for the challenge of doing all of that, I don't see why they wouldn't make a fifth gate. Also, how deep was disney into the process of Animal Kingdom before we found out? granted the internet wasn't as helpful as it is today but I think Disney accounts for that.
