Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 Having finally been able to visit DLP extensively and can now call myself both a WDW and DLP AP holder, I have to ask....has the Magic Kingdom fallen behind, or is doomed to fall behind. DLP only did one thing that pissed me off...it's full of merch carts like the MK...something both parks didn't have much of originally. Disneyland Paris offers a lot of timeless experiences. Fantasyland and Frontierland in particular. I feel that the MK has entered the time warp by dating themselves with pop culture icons such as stitch and monsters inc that will have to be replaced at some point. Sure, the princesses and pirates are pop icons, but they are based on much more older, legendary stories and fairytales. Attractions like space mountain (btw the one in Paris pwns the one in Florida) will always be around...especially in Discoveryland for their mythical old world look at the future. The nautalius was very cool to walk through, while soon to be dated attractions like Captain EO and buzz lightyear wont always stand the test of time. Disneyland Paris has a fantasyland that will still outdo the one in Florida once it's finished, maybe just maybe the restaurants in Florida will out do the one in Paris. Their Pirates of the Caribbean is OUTSTANDING and is hands down the best of all the PoTC attractions. So...it seems like no surprise that timeless attractions like HM or PM etc will endure for both parks...but where are the unique attractions...I feel the MK will date itself into a pop culture mall by their 50th anniversary...while DLP though somewhat commercialized....will still be leaps ahead of the MK in terms of physical quality and value for your money.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Indeed, DLP surpasses the MK in oh so many ways. You should have seen it in it's heyday. And what one restaurant - Walt's, Silver Spur, Blue Lagoon and Aubedge de Cindrillon all give the restaurants of World Showcase a run for their money. But DLP is very much a shadow of it's former self, but I would still rather go to DLP than the MK anyday.
Originally Posted By dagobert I totally agree with you. DLP is still better than the Magic Kingdom. We were so disappointed by the MK when we visited WDW. I like Buzz Lightyear, but I wish Disney would rip it out sooner than later and replace it with an attraction not based on any Disney or Pixar characters or movie that actually fits into the Discoveryland theme. Our Space Mountain is fantastic despite being rough and being changed to Mission 2. The first version was amazing. The Nautilus is also great. Unfortunately it's not that popular, people seem to care only about the characters. Walt's and Auberge de Cendrillon are wonderful restaurants, although I'm angry that the princesses invaded Auberge. But as a vegetarian I have to say that WDW did a better job to cater us. The merchandise could also be better with a broader variety, however DLRP still offers better products than WDW did in 2000, especially the wine DLRP sells is pretty good. Does someone know if it is still sold?
Originally Posted By TDLFAN If you want a perfect version of what the Magic Kingdom can be, surpassing Paris' in cleanliness, maintenance, show quality and staffing needs and operation, then you have to go to Tokyo Disneyland. If you want a park that can make Disneyland Paris look old and run down, then go to Tokyo DisneySea. It's that simple. I just visited DL over the weekend and will have to say that even in CA, DL looks great and offers a lot of value and show quality. The Magic Kingdom? Well, not only is the park outdated and poorly managed, it has so little new to offer that it is amazing tourists still run there to see the same old crap. Mind you.. I will say this much, maintenance and cleanliness are much better at the MK over DLP.. to some degree. But DLP has an edge because it is a much nicer and beautifully designed park.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo To be honest TDLFAN, our last trip to WDW, we went to DLP the same year. Maintenance and cleanliness were better that year in Paris than the MK. And TDL may be run one well, and maintained well, but it is the least pleasing design IMHO (though that is only going on pictures). Were it not for TDS, I would have little desire to go to TDL.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>If you want a perfect version of what the Magic Kingdom can be, surpassing Paris' in cleanliness, maintenance, show quality and staffing needs and operation, then you have to go to Tokyo Disneyland. If you want a park that can make Disneyland Paris look old and run down, then go to Tokyo DisneySea. It's that simple.<<< I definitely want to go there and maybe in the future I will, but now I'm a student who is happy to go once a year to DLRP. By the way, why did you stop to post on MiceChat. I miss your comments on TDR and HKDL.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And TDL may be run one well, and maintained well, but it is the least pleasing design IMHO (though that is only going on pictures). Were it not for TDS, I would have little desire to go to TDL.>> I would have to agree. TDS is my main impetus for wanting to go to the Tokyo parks. I also want to go to Hong Kong once the expansion is done.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "you want a perfect version of what the Magic Kingdom can be, surpassing Paris' in cleanliness, maintenance, show quality and staffing needs and operation, then you have to go to Tokyo Disneyland." It may be superbly maintained, but TDL mostly looks dated, like its stuck in the 80s, particularly Tomorrowland and Fantasyland. DLP is hands down the finest Magic Kingdom park there is, at least from a design standpoint, and show quality is apparently on the mend. "Were it not for TDS, I would have little desire to go to TDL." I've never been to TDS, but TDL is mostly clones of features from DL and the MK in Florida, while the design of DLP at its attractions is almost completely original. TDL is nice, but it feels like a MK greatest hits collection circa 1989 to me.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb >>>soon to be dated attractions like Captain EO<<< Soon to be dated? That shipped sailed long ago ;-). I'm hoping to get to DL Paris in the next couple of years. But I want to wait until I can make it part of a much larger European trip.
Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 Go all the way to Tokyo, TDLFan? That means I'll have to fly upper cabin if I'm going across the pacific ! Walt Disney Studios Paris bored me. MGM/DHS does it better, minus the big hat in the way. Disneyland Paris has much better floats, and the CM's costumers are much better. I couldn't tell there were street cleaners in the park, they blend in so well. Road Phantom Manor yesterday for my first time, because the attraction had been closed for a refurb. The indepth story is very intriguing, and I like how well themed everything is, especially the bride's tomb with the beating heart sound at the exit queue of the attraction. Their big thunder is so much better, yet it feels like the park needs another thrill ride. With indiana jones closed for a refurb, and no splash or matterhorn, I feel like the park needs something. It's tragic how many big old trees the MK has lost in recent years. The place seems like a big field, where DLP has an exceptionally landscaped magic kingdom. I do like the MK's tomorrowland for some reason more than DLP...could be nostalgia.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Attractions like space mountain (btw the one in Paris pwns the one in Florida) will always be around...< I'm sure it's a typo, but I can't figger out what pwns means???
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I am guessing pawns = beats the MK version hands down, which it does.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros PWN (verb) 1. An act of dominating an opponent. 2. Great, ingenious; applied to methods and objects. Originally dates back to the days of WarCraft, when a map designer mispelled "Own" as "Pwn". What was originally supose to be "player has been owned." was "player has been pwned". Pwn eventually grew from there and is now used throughout the online world, especially in online games. 1. "I pwn these guys on battlenet" 2. "This strategy pwns!" or "This game pwn." <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwn" target="_blank">http://www.urbandictionary.com...term=pwn</a>
Originally Posted By danyoung Wow - I thought maybe you were kidding at first, FA. But then I looked it up myself and you're absolutely correct. The things you learn in the strangest places!
Originally Posted By DlandDug Pwn is one of those nefarious internet words. In other words, it's not a word at all, but everyone uses it.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Which means, if it remains current, it will eventually become a real word? I suspect so.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "Which means, if it remains current, it will eventually become a real word? I suspect so" yep, willbecome on of the 20 or so added each year to Webster's- most of which are meaningless a few years later
