Originally Posted By barboy2 ......and should sicken any other who has an ounce of humanity. How any second hand so called victim can have "peace of mind" at the death of another appals(unless we're talking about a Pol Pot, Himmler or an Ivan the Terrible)
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Here you go: <a href="http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-17/justice/georgia.rally.davis_1_pool-party-execution-davis-shot?_s=PM:CRIME" target="_blank">http://articles.cnn.com/2011-0...PM:CRIME</a> <> Mother of slain cop says execution of Troy Davis will give her peace As crowds marched through Atlanta in support of a death row inmate, the slain Savannah police officer's mother said Saturday she remains convinced of Troy Davis' guilt. "I will never have closure," said Anneliese MacPhail. "But I may have some peace when he is executed." Her son, Mark MacPhail, was gunned down in a 1989 shooting that Davis was convicted for. The former Army Ranger left behind his wife and two then-young children. The case has drawn international attention for what Davis' advocates say is a conviction based on flimsy evidence. <> This man should not be executed. No weapon was recovered, no DNA evidence was found, only nine so-called eyewitnesses testified, and seven of those nine have since recanted their testimony. There is more than reasonable doubt that this man did not commit the murder, yet this woman has convinced herself that he indeed killed her husband and should be put to death, no matter how much the evidence against him has evaporated. Her attitude is blood lust. It is not justice. It is a desire to make herself feel better by making another wife or mother suffer as much as she has suffered. And executing an innocent man is murder. This woman is advocating committing murder simply because she's been unable to grieve her loss and get on with her life. Sick sick sick.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Holy crap. First we have Palin with Blood Libel. Now we have Skinner with Blood Lust. Where the Bloody Hell (British Expression) is all this blood stuff going? ;-) LOL It's enough to give me a Bloody Nose...
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 If it's true that the evidence doesn't support this than it's a shame a innocent man is being put to death. That being said if the evidence supports it killing a law enforcement official should bring about the strictest penalty allowed by the state the crime was committed
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I'm very much pro law enforcement but I still don't support capital punishment even for the killing of an officer.
Originally Posted By barboy2 DDMAN and SinglePark, both of you think that one employed in law enforcement has more value as a human than say a mop pusher at an adult video arcade?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 No his life his valued too. But I'm not as willing to say a criminal's life is as valuable.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Well, DD, if you believe Troy Davis is guilty and actually killed that off-duty cop in spite of zero physical evidence to support that claim, you will get your wish. His clemency has been denied, and he will be executed by lethal injection tomorrow. The cop's family members are beside themselves with glee, because "That's what we wanted, and that's what we got. We wanted to get it over with, and for him to get his punishment. Justice was finally served for my father." I am so ashamed to be an American right now. And I hope that these monsters who are celebrating the murder of an innocent man will be hounded for the rest of their lives over this. They should have to face continuing and ongoing harassment wherever they go, never to enjoy a moment's peace over their insistence for Troy Davis to be executed. It would be a "fitting punishment" for them.
Originally Posted By dagobert I know I don't have right to judge people, because they prefer the death penalty over prison. Many of you will not agree with me, but in my opinion the death penalty should be forbidden. I'm glad I live in a country where it was forbidden a long time ago. I know you all grew up with it and it is part of your law enforcement system, but I still think it shouldn't be part of a community in the 21st century. For me it has more to do with revenge than with punishment. Maybe I would think differently if the death penalty would be allowed here as well, but I'm glad it isn't. I just think it may have cost many people their lives who weren't guilty.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I said it's obvious an innocent person is being put to death. The real sad part is the person who did this has gotten away with it. And I think losing a father husband and son was a fitting enough punishment.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I said it's obvious an innocent person is being put to death.>> Sorry, DD, I didn't quite understand that this is what you previously stated. <<The real sad part is the person who did this has gotten away with it.>> I'm almost expecting the guilty party to openly admit to the crime after Davis is executed, most likely having already been convicted for other murder(s) and currently serving life sentence(s) or possibly sitting on death row. <<And I think losing a father husband and son was a fitting enough punishment.>> I disagree. There is NO excuse for them to act this way. Their emotions and long standing grief and lust for revenge (what the pro-capital punishment belief is basically about) is blinding their logic and judgment. Troy Davis is not "guilty beyond reasonable doubt." Even the clemency board knows it, since they did not issue any justification for their refusal to grant it. No reason was given for their "no clemency" vote. They're too chicken to admit that they want someone to die for this crime whether or not that person is guilty and they have no other person but Troy Davis to scapegoat. This family lost their husband and father over 22 years ago. And they're still grieving? That's their problem. What if their cop father were killed by friendly fire during a shootout? What if their cop father were killed during a high-speed chase because he lost control of the patrol car? Would they still be grieving? Would they still be unable to move on with their lives? Probably not. People deal with the deaths of loved ones all the time. It's your choice whether or not to grieve and move on, or grieve and stay stuck in your grief and remain miserable. These people chose the latter. And now they want an innocent man to lose his life so they can supposedly feel better about themselves? That is mental illness. That is the very definition of being a monster. And as far as I'm concerned, these people need their own special form of "punishment" for wishing an innocent person to die simply because a member of their family has been dead for 22 years.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox And in case anyone hasn't noticed... the dead cop was white. Troy Davis is black. This is happening in the state of Georgia. Nothing more needs to be said, except to hell with states' rights in situations like this.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Well I am going to have some sympathy for all involved. Two innocent lives will be lost when it's all said and done.
Originally Posted By mele This is sort of OT but here is an article written by my friend. It's incredibly powerful. I spent Labor Day weekend with her, after the trial. She looked so much different than she did months ago. She was practically glowing and looked very happy. It was wonderful to see. <a href="http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/i-would-like-you-to-know-my-nam/Content?oid=9434642" target="_blank">http://www.thestranger.com/sea...=9434642</a>
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///No his life his valued too. But I'm not as willing to say a criminal's life is as valuable./// WOW!! How you got that above from what I wrote is beyond comprehension. You absolutely/completely misread what I wrote. Please reread #8.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///The real sad part is the person who did this has gotten away with it./// So that saddens you more than an innocent being tormented in a death row prison cell for 20+ years only to meet his end in a disgusting way. I'm starting to think that you lack some humanity and that you are no different that our lovely Mom in the article.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///And in case anyone hasn't noticed... the dead cop was white. Troy Davis is black./// I certainly did but there is no evidence that Troy was convicted due to the difference in races. Now, there is general and circumstantial correlations that we can infer about death sentences and convictions in general regarding race(as well as gender, personal looks and economic standing) but in this specific case, based on media presentation, I see none.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<So that saddens you more than an innocent being tormented in a death row prison cell for 20+ years only to meet his end in a disgusting way.>> I've said that it's a sad an innocent person is being but to death over this. But it's also sad that the person that did this has not and may never be brought to justice. <<I'm starting to think that you lack some humanity and that you are no different that our lovely Mom in the article.>> No I have humanity for Troy Davis, but I also humanity for the policy officer killed while doing his job and for his family that they feel that someone has to pay of this no matter what.
