Originally Posted By DAR <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070404/us_nm/usa_flag_burning_dc" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200 70404/us_nm/usa_flag_burning_dc</a> I know you can burn the flag but I didn't think that included one that didn't belong to you.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 well it is destruction of property at the very least -- btw - aren't people looking at Yale grads with enough of a jaundiced eye right now -- LOL ! Glad to know we can provide education and schooling for them though...geez
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 Notice how the headline and the general slant of the article try to imply that the charges were "burning the flag" rather than the actual charges. Can't say I'm really surprised.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 and it makes no difference I assume to you that it was a flag ? ( that's your call either way - just asking) - a perfect example- there is a video of an off duty chicago police officer ( 275 pounds worth) - beating the crapola out of a young 95 pound woman bartender here in Chicago, making the national news over the past week or so. He was arrested for assault & battery - that was the real reason. Yet every headline reads he beat up a woman... same difference, and if one feels there is no difference between burning let's say the home owners newspaper vs his flag, or no difference beating up a young girl vs. someone his own size -- you're kidding yourself.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer I am gald they were arrested, they tresspassed on someone's private property, then they delibrately removed items (aka stealing) and then destroyed them. Home, car, book, rose bush, it is all private property and shouldn't have been destroyed. That is a LOT different than buying something and then deciding to destroy it yourself. That is your choice, what the Yale students did was steal someone ELSE's stuff and destroy it. And why they should be placed in front of a Judge and be punished.
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 Ah, I think you misread my view. I certainly do not advocate flag burning and do not have any sympathy for anyone who burns our flag. My kid would definitely not want me catching him burning the flag, I don't care how old he gets. My point was only that it seemed to me the article was trying to make these idiots into victims somehow by trying to make it look like their civil rights had been violated for being arrested for flag burning. It even mentions in the article that the supreme court ruled it was legal to burn a flag... It just seemed to be a slanted headline to me, that's all. I think we both view the overall event from the same point of view.
Originally Posted By barboy Non US nationals burning our flag on our soil?!?1? 2 out of the 3 are full scale punk lowlifes who need to take their act back home and stay off our land. I would appreciate their deportation at once. Only US citizens hold an ethical licence to burn a US flag inside the US.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I saw that video, vbdad. I couldn't believe that men stood around and watched him beat her. (But I used to jump infront of my HUGE stepfather when I was a tiny little girl so I guess I don't really understand the mindset of people who watch.) I don't really care if people burn a flag or not. To me it seems like getting mad about flag-burning is just giving the people the attention they want. Of course, stealing someone else's property is wrong no matter what you do with it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I saw that video, vbdad. I couldn't believe that men stood around and watched him beat her. (But I used to jump infront of my HUGE stepfather when I was a tiny little girl so I guess I don't really understand the mindset of people who watch.) < wasn't that awful ? And the one weenie with the cell phone - the reason she got beat up was she jumped in between him and the off duty cop in a disagreement to try and stop it - and when she is getting her brains beat in - he runs out the door.... just the kind of 'man' I hope my daughter brings home -- :-( the p.s. on this is that cops brother has just been arrested for assault and battery ( again on tape ) in another bar incident. He is also a Chicago Cop. Getting re-enactments of the 1968 convention daily now -
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I think we both view the overall event from the same point of view.< agreed -- I misread it completely - my error - sorry.
Originally Posted By DlandJB From other articles I read about this it appears more motivated by prank than politics. However, it doesn't change the seriousness of the vandalism. Out here in SoCal we had a case where some college students ran a shopping cart up a flag pole overnight. The next morning when the store employee came out to put up the flag the shopping cart fell on her and very badly, permanently injured her. There are pranks and there are malicious mischief.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip This will shock many people here, but I believe burning the U.S. Flag SHOULD be a crime. I don't know if I would make it a felony, but it should be a gross misdemeanor at minimum. There are many ways in this country to exercise freedom of speech. As far as I’m concerned burning the U.S. flag falls in the same category as shouting fire in a crowded theater. It is not a defensible use of free speech.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka The only reason shouting fire in a crowded theater is illegal is because people could get physically hurt. How is burning a flag the same thing?
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy <It is not a defensible use of free speech.> It's not even "speech"! lol
Originally Posted By DVC_dad I saw a few bumper stickers the other day on this truck that said, "If you must burn my flag, wrap yourself in it first." The same vehicle had another that said, "Give War a Chance" Same car, the third and final sticker "Semper Fi"
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Said Hyder Akbar, 23, Nikolaos Angelopoulos, 19, and Farhad Anklesaria, 19, were arrested on Tuesday and charged in New Haven Superior Court with reckless endangerment, arson, breach of peace, criminal mischief and other offenses. Police said the three torched a flag hanging from the porch of a house in New Haven near the Ivy League school... The trio acknowledged it was a "dumb thing to do" when questioned by police, the New Haven Register reported.<< No comment from me. The story speaks for itself.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I saw a few bumper stickers the other day on this truck that said, "If you must burn my flag, wrap yourself in it first." The same vehicle had another that said, "Give War a Chance" Same car, the third and final sticker "Semper Fi"> The first time I was in a certain southern city that shall remain nameless (since I don't know it well and I don't want to brand everyone there the same way), I saw a bumper sticker that just floored me. It said What Made America Great: God, Guns, and White People.
