Originally Posted By texasguy2005 I saw this on the "bonus" features" on my Toy Story 3 DVD, and I was amazed at the attractions. What else is there besides the Slinky ride and the RC coaster? We need something like that at Orlando or Anahiem.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "We need something like that at Orlando or Anahiem." I think DavewasBaloo will say otherwise lol.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo This should not be built in ANY Disney park, ever, especially one with PAris's weather. There are three attractions with VERY low capacity. Parachutes (like Jumping Jellyfish at DCA with 90 min waits, a slinky dog spinner (15 min waits at Legoland for essentially the same ride, but DLP has 60 mins). And the RC Racer that you have to be 1m20 to ride. But if you are tall or fat you also cannot ride. And this stupid attraction gets 120 min waits. And it is ugly. The only 2 things positive I can say about it are the music score is great. And the photo areas are ok. If you want to see some photos, here you go: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=196468&id=744599997&l=54802b3d41" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/album....802b3d41</a>
Originally Posted By dagobert Disney has added a new snack cart to TSPL: <a href="http://twitpic.com/67xqlu" target="_blank">http://twitpic.com/67xqlu</a>
Originally Posted By TDLFAN This crappy land opens in Hong Kong Disneyland this december.. Its a horrible addition to an otherwise nice DL park.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>This crappy land opens in Hong Kong Disneyland this december.. Its a horrible addition to an otherwise nice DL park.<< At least in Paris Toy Story Cheap Land wasn't built in the Disneyland Park. Hopefully the Asian Disney community will not be as happy about that stupid land as many members on European fan boards.
Originally Posted By u k fan I know I'll get shot down in flames for saying it, but as much as I don't like the ride selection or the placement in the park, I do think that TSPL adds some much needed greenery and whimsy into what was previously a very "concrete" park. For the record, I said here long ago that I thought a TS "land" should be indoors like Mermaid Lagoon at TDS and could have been Andy's bedroom as a "hot set", but I stand by my feeling that it adds high theming to a park which until recently had very little and that that is a positive direction in which to be travelling!!!
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>I know I'll get shot down in flames for saying it, but as much as I don't like the ride selection or the placement in the park, I do think that TSPL adds some much needed greenery and whimsy into what was previously a very "concrete" park. For the record, I said here long ago that I thought a TS "land" should be indoors like Mermaid Lagoon at TDS and could have been Andy's bedroom as a "hot set", but I stand by my feeling that it adds high theming to a park which until recently had very little and that that is a positive direction in which to be travelling!!!<<< I agree with you that TSPL adds some much needed greenery to WDSP, but the carnival rides shouldn't be there. They are just a very cheap addition. WDSP lacks family rides and rides for children, but I think two of the three built rides aren't suitable for kids. The next thing that annoys ma about TSPL is te theme. I just don't get it how Andy's backyard fits into a studios themed park. Disney is known to create great attractons, but TSPL is just a bunch of carnival rides found in many local amusement parks.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Agreed Dagobert, TSPL to me is a huge waste, with the exception of the greenery and music. But then again, I hate the All Stars at WDW too.
Originally Posted By u k fan <<The next thing that annoys ma about TSPL is te theme. I just don't get it how Andy's backyard fits into a studios themed park.>> That's why I think it should have been indoors as a movie set, with cameras, lights and scenery boards. It would be where Woody and Co are actually shooting the movie and work better within Toon Studios. <<<I hate the All Stars at WDW too.>>> Not agreeing or disagreeing with you either way, but I'm curious as to why you say you hate them as that's a very strong word. If they're not for you, fine, I get that, but hate seems a little strong?!!!
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>Not agreeing or disagreeing with you either way, but I'm curious as to why you say you hate them as that's a very strong word. If they're not for you, fine, I get that, but hate seems a little strong?!!!<<< I'm also not agreeing with Dave on the All Star Resorts. We have been to WDW once and we stayed in the Pop Century Resort and enjoyed it a lot. Of course the value resorts are not as nice as the moderate and deluxe resorts, but otherwise it wouldn't have been possible for us to stay on property, or at least not for nearly two weeks.
Originally Posted By u k fan dagobert, I'm with you on that. We have stayed at 2 All-Stars and Pop and they were fine for what we wanted at that time. An on-site base that wouldn't cost the earth. We can still eat at the other hotels (and did). Sure they're not everyone's cup of tea, but they suited us fine and actually the kids in our party really liked the theming. That's why I'm curious about why Dave would say he hates them. If they don't float your boat then that's ok, but why hate them?!!!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I hate them because I find the icons to be cheap and tacky and to really mess up the quality theming Disney has been known for. I spent decades defending Disney for not being cheap and tacky. The All Stars Changed that. They are box motels with big icons. Creatively lazy and to me, the sign of Disney's down turn in quality. It is not the economics issue, for I see the Cheyenne and even the Santa Fe as being fine (sure, there are lots of improvements to services and amenities that could be made). It is the design choice. I hate Big cartoony icons - whether the All Stars or TSPL or the new mini golf course on the latest Disney Cruise Liner. And I wish that All Stars, Pop Century or the Animation Resort were never built. Before they were I thought Port Orleans and the Caribbean resorts were bad enough (loved Dixie Landings however).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Before all the tooning, Disney taught me that a place could be different and intricately themed. Several decades this has been the case. Then they go and build Chester and Hesters, Paradise Pier, Toy Story Playland and frankly ruined it all. Now I am at the stage where all the tooning of the parks has made me feel ill. It is sooooo commercial, more than ever. I think this is why Efteling, Phantasialand and Europa Park were such a breathe of fresh air this year. They all have tried to build things to create a sense of place or tell a story. Ok, they may not be as ornate or polished as Disney (though Ravelijn and Villa Volta certainly are), but I loved that it was not creatively lazy like Disney has become. In fact, all my fav memories of Disney has nothing to do with Disney movies unless the movies came later (e.g. PotC, HM etc.)
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>It is not the economics issue, for I see the Cheyenne and even the Santa Fe as being fine (sure, there are lots of improvements to services and amenities that could be made). It is the design choice.<<< I do agree with you on that and we had already a similar discussion about that topic on another forum. The overall design of the Santa Fe and Cheyenne in Paris is better, but the experience you get was better at the Pop Century. Maybe if Disney would start to improve the rooms of the value hotels in Paris, the resorts would be on a higher level than the Pop Century. Even the rooms of the Sequoia Lodge, which is a moderate resort, are worse than the rooms of the Pop Century, while the hotel itself is really beautiful.
Originally Posted By dagobert I do understand all the frustration of today's Disney and two years ago I would have defended Disney, but after reading all the books about Walt, the company, Imagineering and the parks, I changed my view.
Originally Posted By Bolna At first I liked the idea of getting something pretty at WDS a lot - even though I hated the idea of standard carnival rides. And then I was rather underwhelmed when I saw TSP in person in March, I found it to be very claustrophobic and I was there on a quiet day. Everything is just so close together. This really did take away from the fact that it at least offers some eye-candy if compared to the WDS I saw in 2003. I would have preferred the idea of making it a movie set indoors - that would have been a backstory which would have fit with the idea of toon studios, which I kind of liked.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Thanks Dagobert, and that was my point. I grew up with Disney for 37 years, and have always read like a maniac. By 1994 I had read evey book about Disney and the parks ever printed in the UK (and have read many printed since). To me, Disney was never about toons. I always preferred Bugs and the gang to Mickey. The animated features were good, with more misses than hits (I prefer the work of Dreamworks these days to Disney - excluding Pixar). To me, it was all about the theming and parks. The legacy and leadership of Walt Disney. The promise of an experimental prototype community of tomorrow. But all of that is history and lost. Heck, not even more than 10% of the Disney fan community (let alone the average joe) seem to care about that stuff. This is why now, Disney is a place I take my kids too. I never thought that would happen. But that is what it has become. I hope to try the Asian resorts one day to see if my opinion changes. But after this year and last, and seeing the offerings at D23, I have come to the conclusion, I am no longer a fan. I am a historian. I have a hope that they may find their way again. But for me, it is gone. The spark and magic. I wish I could break away from boards like this as I do not like upsetting those that love the new toon model. But I feel compelled to look in hopes that we will see a flicker. Aulani, Mystic Point, Buena Vista Street show me there is still a glimour of hope. But there you go. Many tell me I am not alone, and this is why they have stopped posting. They found it easier to walk away then I did. As for the Cheyenne and Santa Fe, those could be easy fixes with the right funds and management. But we know that won't happen either. For the first time in 12 years, I am not conviced whether I will bother to renew my AP.
