Originally Posted By CuriousConstance Forgive me if this is old news... First pictures of Trolley testing released on the Disney Parks blog. <a href="http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2012/03/red-car-trolley-tests-the-track-at-disney-california-adventure-park/" target="_blank">http://disneyparks.disney.go.c...re-park/</a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt This is going to make a huge difference to the vibe of the park, especially when you see these things traveling up and down BV Street from the entrance. It would be cool if they added a couple of buses and cars taking guests out to Paradise Pier. I have one minor design quibble though, and that's that the width and height of the trolley's is misproportioned. Take a look at the Red Cars taken in the 1950s: <a href="http://highlandpark.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/2928591970_c37f2ca9a6_o.jpg?w=600&h=393" target="_blank">http://highlandpark.files.word...00&h=393</a> Concept art: <a href="http://www.insidethemagic.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trolley-art.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.insidethemagic.net/...-art.jpg</a> The concept art appears to be the cars that were used from the 1920s-30s, which to me would be a better fit thematically. I get that it's a modern theme park and that some design changes have to be made, including NDA regulations, but I'm a little bit disappointed with the final product. Again, it's a minor thing and it's all a vast improvement over the shopping mall blandness that was once Sunshine Plaza.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt LOL... that should be ADA. I've actually been dealing with NDAs today at work. Ooops.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I love the ads inside the cars! The trolley will really add life and energy to the park.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The ads are the best part! Oh, and there's this: <a href="http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2012/04/an-entertaining-cast-of-characters-for-buena-vista-street-at-disney-california-adventure-park/" target="_blank">http://disneyparks.disney.go.c...re-park/</a>
Originally Posted By EmmaJayne This looks so good, I cannot wait to see this new and improved DCA, looks like they've really got it right this time!
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb I think the trolley looks great! Maybe a little too polished, but that won't last ;-).
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA That color picture of the 1950s red car is really cool. Look at all the crap on the ground...what's up with that?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Look at all the crap on the ground...what's up with that?" Good question. It looks like trash to me, but maybe there was a parade or something just before the photo was taken. Over on Miceage there are quite a few folks getting riled up over the web of trolley wires going up along the route. I actually like them and tend to get kind of geeky about details like that. <a href="http://www.miceshots.com/usr/65/4173IMG_0046.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.miceshots.com/usr/6...0046.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I think the wires are fine. They barely show up in pictures (despite some people's insistance that they make visual clutter in the images), and will only be barely noticeable in person. They will be just enough to give the area a visual 'roof', without actually enclosing the space. With an upper limit on where BVS extends, it will feel much more cozy, despite the fact that there is almost nothing actually up there; the overall effect will be very similar to the more charming feel that Main Street has at Christmas, when the garlands stretched across the street tie everything together visually.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Over on Miceage there are quite a few folks getting riled up over the web of trolley wires going up along the route. I actually like them and tend to get kind of geeky about details like that." I'm with you. This is just good theming.
Originally Posted By Manfried Those Micechat folks. Sheesh. Don't they know real theming when they see it?
Originally Posted By pennyring The actual trolley kind of looks like a bus. Disappointing. Hmmm. Although, any trolley that brings Newsies is ok by me!
Originally Posted By berol I agree with those micechatters. Overhead wires are great theming, but they don't look good. I haven't heard anyone missing the wires in cities, but instead hear how much nicer it looks without them. On the other hand, I only noticed the high tension wires in DCA once across a dozen visits. I don't know that I'll mind these, either.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The zip line wire that Tinkerbell uses for her flight from the Matterhorn is more of an eyesore to me. "Overhead wires are great theming, but they don't look good. I haven't heard anyone missing the wires in cities, but instead hear how much nicer it looks without them." I think you might be missing the point.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt You are implying that it would look nicer without the wires, therefore they shouldn't be there. The point is that in order to tell the story of the Red Cars you have to include the wires; they are an integral part of the overall experience. Now, if there was only a way to have Tinkerbell fly without that dang cable.
Originally Posted By berol If I knew that I minded wires, I guess I'd get cornered into arguing for no red cars. Theming is great up to a point, like I'm glad they clean up after Main St. horses and the moat doesn't double as a sewer system. I should mention that I'm wildly contradictory with theming. I don't wish that someone would go into Haunted Mansion with a dustrag or restore the temple to its glory days.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I actually can see both sides of this question. I think real cities DO look better without the wires, which look cluttered, industrial, and like electrical wires of all kinds, not particularly pleasing aesthetically. The Jolly Trolley worked great without wires, since Toontown was a timeless place. However, if you're going to set BVS in the 20's, you need the wires. It's part of the whole look that LA/Hollywood would have had then. And because it's confined to those areas (and even provides a bit of a "roof" to them as others have said), it doesn't clutter up everything and in fact creates another transition point as you move from those areas to the "open skies" of the winery or Condor Flats, etc. On balance, I think it was the right decision to include them, though I understand the other point of view.
