Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder I'm no fan of John Kerry, but he's right when he says our focus on Iraq prevented us from capturing bin Laden. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/23/binladen.reax/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI CS/04/23/binladen.reax/index.html</a>
Originally Posted By DVC_dad John Kerry has said very little in his political career I have agreed with. Why do many Viet Nam vets despise him so?
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, said the United States isn't finding bin Laden or his top deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri "because there are a lot of hiding places," but "very intensive efforts have been made. "But frankly, I'm very dissatisfied that we haven't brought him to justice and I think it has to be a top priority," he told CNN, adding, "One day, we'll catch him." << That's pretty weak, but really, what are the GOP mouthpieces suppose to say at this point, almost five years after 9/11? Consider perhaps that bush doesn't want to capture bin laden. He's already said publicly "I don't know, I just don't spend that much time thinking about him". He's also said that he "thinks about iraq every day - every day". Are these misplaced priorities? Or has a determination been made that a bin laden on the loose and issuing threatening statements every few months is better than a dead bin laden for this administration's agenda of using fear as a potent tool? As to whether to agree with kerry's statement or not - who can disagree with his statement that the inability of this administration to find bin laden is a failure? What would you call it?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA So we capture Osama bin Laden -- then what? Bring him to justice like Saddam Hussein? Or that nut-job Sarkowee or whatver the frick his name is? I'm not suggesting we shouldn't try to find them -- just don't see the point in giving these psychos like Hussein and bin Ladin 'due process.' They're walking out of the courthouse and 'Whoops! Somebody shot him!'
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Originally Posted By cape cod joe I really think it's IMPOSSIBLE for us to know as we, the citizens don't have the intell, the government has. All we can do is hold their (government) feet to the fire to DISCLOSE critical elements of their decision making process anent Iraq.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> So we capture Osama bin Laden -- then what? << It's not likely that he'd be taken alive. But the guy is still taunting us to this very day. Every time he comes out with one of these tapes it's like thumbing his nose at the U.S. He needs to be stopped, and it's suspicious that we haven't been able to do it so far. And I have to think if it were a higher priority within OUR government, it would have been done by now. Bin laden isn't all that sophisticated. He's likely living in a cave and has a supply line continuously running everything out to him and his 'entourage' in this remote outpost. How hard would it be to find this supply line that totes food and medical supplies out into the wilderness on a regular basis? That's why I say that we have to consider that bush doesn't want bin laden caught and killed. For one thing, bush is friends with the bin laden family (boggles the mind, don't it?). They even share the same banker. For another, it's a fair assumption that if we did kill bin laden, the public would lose what tattered support remains for the iraq war. And we can't have that, can we? So bush needs bin laden just as much as bin laden needs bush. They're perfect for each other.
Originally Posted By PlainoLJoe sadly, and as a bad comparison, Bin Laden will become a dread pirate roberts. Replaced at some point because he is dead but his name will still rally the masses to his "cause" whatever it may be. As far as this administration, I dont think they want to catch him either. Because as long as he is loose its an almost blank check for Bush to spend, spend, spend. He will be gone soon and than the US can get back on track hopefully.
Originally Posted By Mr X Wow, Joe. That was one of the...no, THE most insightful post I've ever seen on LP. On many levels. My fear, though, is that Bush will actually seek a third term...BUT that's a topic for another discussion.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<I'm no fan of John Kerry, but he's right when he says our focus on Iraq prevented us from capturing bin Laden.>> Kerry said this about a thousand times when he was running for president. You know, Tora Bora and all that stuff Kerry is clueless about. What was Kerry's plan again to get Bin Laden? The cut and run crowd actually have the nerve to complain about the war on terror? These people are the terrorists best friend, yet they talk tough about getting bin laden? Iraq has nothing to do with getting Bin Laden. We added people in Afghanistan once Iraq started and it's not exactly possible to roll into Packistan to get Bin Laden. Clinton had more than one chance to have Bin Laden turned over to the United States from the Sudan yet he declined to do this. Blame him.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << As far as this administration, I dont think they want to catch him either. >> You actually beleive this statement you made? Care to offer any evidence, proof, or documemtation showing the Bush administration " not wanting to catch Bin Laden ". Or is it another leftist conspiracy theory based on a " feeling " you have. The person actually commited to fighting Islamic terror is Bush. It's people on the left who want to act like there is no war going on and that we are to blame for being attacked. STPH, Kerry said this same crap back during the elction, yet you voted for Bush. Why?
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder I fell for the lie. At least I had good sense to realize it. You don't.
Originally Posted By PlainoLJoe <<You actually beleive this statement you made? Care to offer any evidence, proof, or documemtation showing the Bush administration " not wanting to catch Bin Laden ".>> Iraq.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Why not 2 new Amendments X--One for 3rd term and one for Arnold being foreign born
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<I fell for the lie. At least I had good sense to realize it. You don't.>> The lie?? Can you at least tell us WHY you think Bush lied again? How about the smoking gun evidence that he lied? Maybe some reports or documents showing he lied or made confliciting statements? Maybe a secret tape someone got showing Bush talking to the oil compaines or Halliburtan about how he was going to go to war so they could get rich? Or maybe you think the guy in the trailor park who says he was abducted by aliens is a solid guy with a solid story also? The guy in the trailor at least has some " photos " to prove he is not nuts. Since the election of 2004 when you voted for Bush, there has been nonstop evidence that not only did Bush not lie about Iraq but the evidence is clear that Saddam had ties to terrorists and would have a very dangerous WMD program today if not stopped. The only lie was the UN and their oil for food program and yes, Joe Wilson. The time to be a moron and say Bush lied! was back in 2004 when Michael Moore was being the pied piper of the left and he wasn't buried with the facts we have today regarding why we went into Iraq and what Saddam was actually up to. But to say Bush lied today, after all we now know, is off the charts ignorant and irresponsible..... unless you have solid evidence to back such a claim. What did Bush say that was a lie compared to the dozens and dozens of Democrats including Clinton and France who said the exact same thing about Saddam and his WMD program? But why answer this... it's easier to just post " Bush lied about Iraq " and then tell yourself that you really made your case.
Originally Posted By PlainoLJoe I just wonder something about Bush with a question... If someone kills your child why do you not go after the killer but instead go after your neighbor who is beating his wife? I would not even pay attention to the neighbor and all my enery would be spent on finding my childs killer. Bush kind of passed out flyers about his kid being killed and burst into his neighbors door with a gun and hand cuffs. Just makes no sense to me at all.
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Originally Posted By Lake Nona Kind of funny when our CIA/DOD budget is X amount of dollars and we can't find a multi-millionaire/killer would murdered close to 3000 people in less than 2 hours who is hiding in a cave.
