Originally Posted By mousermerf OMG! I just thought of the most brilliant political campaign ever (and no, it's not meant to be political-serious discussion, but humor appreciated by all) Just think, if any of Bush's opposition started a campaign all about "Bush Whacking" and they wore Crocodile Dundee clothes and did all their ads in faux croc-country and took a big ole.. hatchet (well, muh-shed-ee, someone please spell that for me) to big old bit of brush representing their campaign promises (like, cutting taxes - slash slash) it'd be a surefire winner!
Originally Posted By danyoung Those who don't like V&A's decision don't seem to realize that decisions like this one don't occur in a vacuum. I'd bet if you talked to any V&A manager, you'd find that there are a whole BUNCH of problems with the wee ones in the nicer atmosphere. Sure, adults will still be boors, and you have to deal with them on their own. But I think in general it's asking too much of even the most polite kid to sit quietly in a fine dining location and not fidget. vbdad's kids are better behaved than most. I know I wasn't that good when I was that age. I think 10 and up is a reasonable requirement for such a special restaurant as V&A's. Now, if they start imposing this at other locations I might have more of a problem with it. And Denise, they don't have any age restictions at the Bistro. On my last visit a few weeks ago I saw a couple of kids there, but they were well dressed and well behaved.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome >> And Denise, they don't have any age restictions at the Bistro. On my last visit a few weeks ago I saw a couple of kids there, but they were well dressed and well behaved. << Thanks, Dan! I had never been, but I knew it was more of an adult atmosphere than Chefs (so I wasn't sure as far as if there was an age restriction). I hadn't even thought about it, but when I was a kid, I was taken to many finer places. Once to some roast for a senator (I was the only kid AND the only female as I recall - and the whole "roasting" thing sounded horrific, I was maybe 6). I guess I was behaved enough, but going to nicer places wasn't my thing at all. Even when I graduated from high school, he said that my birthday meal could be anywhere. Well, MY "anywhere" was Roy Rogers. Instead, we went somewhere fancy. Nice places were boring, I'd have rather been left in a kids play area.
Originally Posted By mousermerf I wanna do Bistro some time... I'm still a little miffed they called the Bistro the place upstairs - it's just not proper grammatically.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd I have a son. Yes he is well behaved. But I have no problem with them making V&A's an adults only restaurant. I don't see it so much as bashing the children or their behavior, but the atmosphere that people are looking for when they go to V&A's. Yes, I have a wonderful son who is the center of my universe, but sometimes, even if the children are heavily sedated and duct taped to their chairs, it is nice to have adult time. On the same note, if there is an adult party at V&A's that are being disruptive, I feel that they should be delt with as well, and quickly.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> meal could be anywhere. Well, MY "anywhere" was Roy Rogers. << They had the best Roast Beef sandwiches. That sauce was to die for.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I wanna do Bistro some time... I'm still a little miffed they called the Bistro the place upstairs - it's just not proper grammatically. << Be careful Merf. You would be on the road to being an Opera Snob.
Originally Posted By mousermerf <Yes, I have a wonderful son who is the center of my universe, but sometimes, even if the children are heavily sedated and duct taped to their chairs, it is nice to have adult time.> Do you sedate so you can duct tape them, or is the duct tape merely a precautionary measure in case the sedation wears off?
Originally Posted By danyoung >...and the whole "roasting" thing sounded horrific, I was maybe 6.< Reminds me of the time when I was 4 and Dad took me and my older brother out for fast food, cuz Mom was having a baby shower. I just didn't get it - not only was the new baby not born yet, but we didn't even HAVE a shower! And why were all those ladies coming over just to give my unborn baby brother a shower that we didn't have??? Talk about confused!
Originally Posted By sherrytodd >>>Do you sedate so you can duct tape them, or is the duct tape merely a precautionary measure in case the sedation wears off? <<< Keeps them from falling out of the chairs.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome >> >> meal could be anywhere. Well, MY "anywhere" was Roy Rogers. << They had the best Roast Beef sandwiches. That sauce was to die for. << I didn't like the sauce, but I LOVED the sandwiches. There is a place called Beefy King in Orlando, I've not been in a couple of years - but they also have kick-butt roast beef. They've been around for a long time.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd >>>>...and the whole "roasting" thing sounded horrific, I was maybe 6.< Reminds me of the time when I was 4 and Dad took me and my older brother out for fast food, cuz Mom was having a baby shower. I just didn't get it - not only was the new baby not born yet, but we didn't even HAVE a shower! And why were all those ladies coming over just to give my unborn baby brother a shower that we didn't have??? Talk about confused!<<< Just think how I felt when I was six and heard that my Grandma got fired.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome >> Reminds me of the time when I was 4 and Dad took me and my older brother out for fast food, cuz Mom was having a baby shower. I just didn't get it - not only was the new baby not born yet, but we didn't even HAVE a shower! And why were all those ladies coming over just to give my unborn baby brother a shower that we didn't have??? Talk about confused! << That is too funny. I guess my mom never had a shower, because I would have wondered why a bunch of women would want to join her in one.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <learn the birds and bee's from barbie's boyfriend who shows up around 11pm and staying up all night eating cheesypoofs and ice cream!< I hear there's a South Park anonymous help group - I'm thinking of looking into it myself
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>> my daughter ate in the White House when she was 8 -- does that qualify ? << You really left the door open for Spirit's obligatory "Bush Bashing". < Nope- she's 23 -- Bubba was president at the time and we were heavily involved in the Marine's Toys for Tot's thru my wife's involvement with Ronald McDonald House- my daughter was on a number of posters. and btw - for those who say all kids misbehave - you're hanging around the wrong kids - sorry to disillusion you. Nice to know she could eat at the White House but not Vic and Al's - geez !
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Now, if they start imposing this at other locations I might have more of a problem with it. < here is my fear Danny - show me one thing in the last 20 years that Disney has implemented and then didn't copy many times over - <And Denise, they don't have any age restictions at the Bistro. On my last visit a few weeks ago I saw a couple of kids there, but they were well dressed and well behaved. < and they weren't my kids- proves there are plenty. It should be by merit , not age. just IMHO
Originally Posted By nbodyhome >> and btw - for those who say all kids misbehave - you're hanging around the wrong kids - sorry to disillusion you. Nice to know she could eat at the White House but not Vic and Al's - geez ! << Well, I can wear sneakers at the National Press Club, at the Capitol Hill Club, but not Rix at the Coronado Springs Resort. You can't really compare things like that. There are places that are child restricted, in part because sometimes adults like an evening out without kids around. I'm not really into fine dining, so it isn't something that effects me often. But if I was getting all dressed up for a really nice (expensive) dinner, I would prefer not many kids around. That would include my niece and nephew - who behave very well, but would be bored out of their minds. I feel bad enough if company comes over with kids, but at least we have an X-box and other entertainment options.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^ fair enough but just like mine - it's only one opinion. Some kids like to get dressed up and eat at nice places... some of my kids memories they would tell you about revolve around dining experiences --( yes they got to be kids too - both are athletes - one college one HS.) If it is an adult venue ( ala the aforementioned Vegas - ) I get it - but nothing about V&A's makes it an adult only venue IMHO.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome At the very least, I do think one seating should be child-free. And I think a time limit should be imposed at other nicer restaurants on property (i.e. - I think 9pm is appropriate as far as arrivals). I personally don't know very many kids who wouldn't prefer the Neverland Club (or something similar) than eating at a fine dining establishment. But I don't doubt there are some kids who may enjoy it. I wasn't one of them.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I would agree with the 9 PM seating - especially for 10 and under, as taking them out to dinner that late could lead to issues even in the best behaved kids ( and it you don't feed me until 9 I get cranky too ) - but restricting them altogether at WDW I think is just wrong... this is the family vacation center, not a night at the Ritz -- there are plenty of places in most cities to have an adult night out..... Sorry, never left my kids with sitters I did not know...just another quirk.
