Originally Posted By nbodyhome Oh...one other thing. Just because something is at or about Disney, IMHO it doesn't mean that kids should be part of it. I don't think that kids should be on Pleasure Island. Raglan Road is okay (IMHO), but I wouldn't take kids further in. I've posted in a non-moderated Disney newsgroup for nearly 10 years, and I wouldn't want kids there either. It can get quite interesting sometimes (well, a lot). Many people have posted wishing for an all-adult hotel at Disney. That isn't really my thing, but I think it'd be popular. A lot of adults like having "me" time without kids everywhere. Even at Walt Disney World.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome >> I would agree with the 9 PM seating - especially for 10 and under, as taking them out to dinner that late could lead to issues even in the best behaved kids ( and it you don't feed me until 9 I get cranky too ) << I get cranky by around 7.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Nope- she's 23 -- Bubba was president at the time and we were heavily involved in the Marine's Toys for Tot's thru my wife's involvement with Ronald McDonald House- my daughter was on a number of posters. << I commend you on your choice of charities. I am very familar with both of them. >> but restricting them altogether at WDW I think is just wrong... this is the family vacation center, not a night at the Ritz -- there are plenty of places in most cities to have an adult night out..... << I don't see that as an issue vbdad55. All the folks that come to WDW do not have children with them. Would you deny them the simple pleasure of dining at just one very expensive age restricted establishment compared to all of the other choices available?
Originally Posted By figment1986 The finest dining I have been too would probably be Bern's Steak House for my sister's 21st birthday, I was like 16 at the time, I did not see a single little kid that evening. And V&A is even higher dining than Bern's so it makes sense to limit the age to a point, at least to me it does.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Well, I can wear sneakers at the National Press Club, at the Capitol Hill Club, but not Rix at the Coronado Springs Resort. << Excellent point Denise. I'm still ticked about that though. Not the restriction, just the way they handled it with you.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome >> >> Well, I can wear sneakers at the National Press Club, at the Capitol Hill Club, but not Rix at the Coronado Springs Resort. << Excellent point Denise. I'm still ticked about that though. Not the restriction, just the way they handled it with you. << I'm not ticked, it's almost amusing now. I wish I hadn't left the MK early for it, but I was staying at the CSR at the time (early last month) - so it wasn't like I went way out of my way. I think I can safely say that Rix isn't on any current plans of mine. I like to get dressed up occasionally - but not for a loud nightclub.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 [Mickeyboy - how old are you? When I was a teenager, I did the babysitting. Well, sort of. My parents didn't go out too much except to the store.] Im 15, and i normally do the same thing with my parents going to the grocery store (in fact, im home with my 2 sisters right now while parents are at the store). But im not sure they would want to leave me with the girls alone in WDW. I think theyd rather have an older person there just in case a bad guy does come or whatever. It sounds ridiculous now that im typing it.
Originally Posted By figment1986 << I like to get dressed up occasionally - but not for a loud nightclub. >> yea, you could dress down for those loud clubs in PI I avoid... (I prefer Comedy Club and Adventurers Club)
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "When we ate there, a couple at the table next to us had there 4 or 5 year old along, and the kid was tired and making noise and playing under the table. The maitre d' came out and told them to either quiet the child or they'd have to leave. That was great. People were paying upwards of $150 a person for a meal there. I was very surprised." And a lot of other people were probably paying a LOT more. There are hundreds of places in WDW and around Orlando for families to eat french fries and chicken McNuggets. Why is it assumed kids must be included in EVERY bloody thing?
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "<Your children may be darling to you, but still might not meet the manners criteria i think should be needed for V&A's. < my daughter ate in the White House when she was 8 -- does that qualify ?" Hardly. Bush became president. Buh DUM bum!!!! : D
Originally Posted By Bob Paris jon - I misread your post as pertaining to the people who HAD the child as being p'od because they were paying $150 and were kicked out, not the other diners. Apologies.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 I can agree with much of what most of you have said. But...once at Prime Time, we had the misfortune of sitting near a bunch of adults, (ages 40's-50's) and several of them where shooting around spitballs. Management should have spoken to them.
Originally Posted By CMDad One of the "rules" given to us on this trip by our "cousin" (server) at 50's Prime Time was ... NO SPITBALLS.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^^^Obviously hired after we ate there, probably around 2000. Hopefully that rule is now enforced. Other that the spitballers, we enjoyed eating there.
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn As a parent of a 4-1/2 year old and a 2 year old, I am completely unoffended by this rule. They should probably increase the minimum age to 12.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>> Nope- she's 23 -- Bubba was president at the time and we were heavily involved in the Marine's Toys for Tot's thru my wife's involvement with Ronald McDonald House- my daughter was on a number of posters. << I commend you on your choice of charities. I am very familar with both of them. < very close friends with the family that started RMCC ( my wife worked for MCD corp for 17 years ) - they do great work
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Why is it assumed kids must be included in EVERY bloody thing?< Maybe because it's WDW, not Monte Carlo ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < Would you deny them the simple pleasure of dining at just one very expensive age restricted establishment compared to all of the other choices available? < If it keeps others out totally - yes. Do you agree with the fact women can't play golf at Augusta ? Doesn't matter what they shoot, doesn't matter how much money they have -- because some people view them as a problem there. Again I have no issue with the 2nd seating say being adults only because of the time of the dinner - but to exclude people for one reason and one reason only - sorry, I can't buy into that on many levels. and as far as denying adults the opportunity to eat there, what about adults with kids, who don't travel with a babysitter or believe it stuffing the kids into a center to watch them ? So they can't dine there ? Any time you start excluding people, for a reason that just doesn't hold water to me, I'm sorry but my radar goes up. So maybe we should exclude anyone without a Platinum Card with a limit of at least $50K, heck why not $100K limit -- think how 'nice' that would be to some people. It treads on dangerous ground IMHO - everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome It may be WDW, but there are adult venues that are off-limits, and you can walk into the Virgin Megastore and find magazines like High Times. It's not all kid-oriented. I would have been fine if there was never a PI, I liked the Marketplace as it was. Though I do think the Adventurers Club is terrific. Disney is very popular with all types of people - singles, couples, families, Disney no longer is just about "famies together". They go after various market segments with each attraction, with each hotel, etc. Victoria and Alberts is more of an upscale, adult setting (I have visited, just not dined). The nice thing about message boards, we can all have our opinion.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <you can walk into the Virgin Megastore and find magazines like High Times< and until someone complains enough to the mgmt types about this - all they see are the profits - I do have a problem with that also. I also would have been fine w/o a PI -
