Originally Posted By u k fan I think there are some themes left to explore as well I just think that some of them will be very similar to what's already there. I'm not talking about the technology used, but the theme around it. I do agree that as new ride/show systems are developed new themes will be discovered through the nature of those developments!!!
Originally Posted By MPierce While a Bugatti, and a Kia are both automobiles they are worlds apart. That is the concept I am trying to get across.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Space and Science Fiction are taken with the offerings in Tomorrowland and Undersea Adventure is either already taken with either Nemo ride or about to be with TLM. I'm not trying to be smart just playing devil's advocate, all of the broad themes seem to be taken. It must make it harder for imagineering to be original?!!!< nope- didn't take you that way -- however I think those genre's have room for more than 1 attraction. different ride systems, immersions -- i,e, Matterhorn and EE
Originally Posted By u k fan I think I get what you're saying, but I'm not sure I'm getting your point. Mission:Space and Space Mountain are both themed around space exploration, but that doesn't make them the same. The execution is different, but the theme is the same so regardless of whatever new technology comes along if they decide to add an attraction based on space using it it's a theme they've already used. Am I missing your point?!!!
Originally Posted By carribean queen <I really do wonder if they have some unbias opinions coming in like that. I guess they rely completely on their surveys that are worded in a way to come out good, no matter what the guest experience may be.> <In June, they surveyed one of my daughters, the blunt one who doesn't sugarcoat anything. Maybe she'll post here.> I think I'm very sweet! you make me sound mean. he he he Anyway the survey was miserably long and I quickly discovered I have adult a.d.d. They ask mostly friendliness type questions and then for every question you had to give an example. There were a couple of transportation questions, where I cried about getting more monorail access. and just one or two questions about cleanliness at the parks but our past trip was fairly clean, then it ask about the resorts and cast members behavior and such, I also told them the animal towels are fun way to end your day. My sons towel bunny is named Biscuit but that I wish there was something fun for us to find every night, I know some out there think its lame but whatever its fun to find, one night we got back and all my sons disney stuffed anmals were hanging off the fans, lights and even the curtain rods. He and I loved it. Anyway the whole survey took over an hour and really was a bit of BS (sorry Ma). If anyone has ever taken the stanton survey its the same. Same questions differant wordings. When I finished I got the feeling that the results they wanted they'd get no matter how a persons trip went. They did have questions about the year of a million dreams. It asked if I, anyone in my party or I noticed anyone around me win something. Well it was kind of hard not to notice someone at some point have won something. though I did notice it was usually a family of 4 and we are only 3, I know theres a happy haunt (you stink) out there that got alot of the free stuff because that seems to be who Disney is trying market to. Even the commercials are usually mom, dad and 2 kids. Well I like a quieter house ones enough for me. Over all the survey was weak long but weak. At the end you could sum up your trip in only 3 lines. and throughout the survey they didn't want opinions just examples of why you answered (scale of 1-5) the way you did.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<3/ teen/adult attention spans last from one text message to the next.......>>> Sry, ddn't read post, 2 long 4 me. ;-p
Originally Posted By DVC_dad To answer the OP, you know the answer vbdad. Spirit points to it as well.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Space travel / undersea adventures / Science fiction>> Which were ALL part of the original MK, and EPCOT Center themeing.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Back in the late 80s when I went on my Disney Cruise..... I saw what I believed was a trend by Disney to create an "all inclusive vacation experience". It appeared to me then that Disney definately wanted to be more than just ( at the time ) three amusement parks. I think Disney learned from that and began looking at the weakest link, so to speak. Disney Corp built more resorts primarily value resorts. Disney also built WL and AKL and called them Deluxe accomidations that in reality are lower priced and offer fewer amenities than other Deluxe accomidations on property. Disney Corp began building water parks, a nigh club district, greater shopping alternatives outside the parks and of course the DVCs. In the most recent years Disney Corp has completely implimented a new state of the art resevation desk. All in all Disney Corp has spent a tremendous amount of money improving resevations, transportation and accomidations of property. Oh, did I mention the cruise ships? Disney Corp has definately accomplished their goal in creating an all inclusive vacation package for every price range. Disney Corp more than likely has not seen the need to dramatically improve the rides/ attractions in their parks as park attendence has not dropped. They simply don't need to invest money there. Furthermore, when you are on WDW property you can't help but see all the finished DVC contruction as well as NEW DVC construction going on. WDW is not stale by any means.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^ however Horizons - gone...Sci Fi left there ? SSE is a great attraction, maybe my fave....so maybe that covers space travel too -- not sure, it is and it isn't. 20K had undersea covered however gone also - now we got a builders Square Poo playground instead.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad C-Queen, we were surveyed this year also. It was worthless. They stopped us getting off a ride and asked how the CMs did their jobs and asked us to rate them. It's impossible to rate someone you saw for maybe 3 seconds as they wave you throucgh or point to the ride vehicle. Like you I thought the survey format was wrong. It didn't really allow for free discussion. I found it to be a waste of time.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad C-Queen, we were surveyed this year also. It was worthless. They stopped us getting off a ride and asked how the CMs did their jobs and asked us to rate them. It's impossible to rate someone you saw for maybe 3 seconds as they wave you throucgh or point to the ride vehicle. Like you I thought the survey format was wrong. It didn't really allow for free discussion. I found it to be a waste of time.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad Sorry for double post...... If Disney wants a survey of the guests experiences, then give me a sheet of paper at check in and ask me to turn it in at check out and I will give them the entire works. The surveys don't work because the experience is in the details and they just want overall impressions. Don't ask me overall cleanliness. Ask me where I found things that needed to be cleaned.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad Getting back to the thread, I think alot of the new rides will be classics. Soarin, Tower of terror, splash mountain, philharmagic, peter pan, spaceship earth redone was great, the tree of life might not be a ride but I still think it will be just as amazing in 40 years. This year we rode Toy Story mania and I thought this was a very creative new ride. It was totally different from anything I had seen before. As this concept matures the following rides will be even better. I thought about including mission space but as I get older it gets harder to enjoy even though it does exactly what it is supposed to do and does it very well.
Originally Posted By leobloom ^^I don't really get the intense love showered on Soarin'. It's basically an Imax film with an admittedly neat lift-off. But the motion of the ride vehicles during the film is slight enough to make this a glorified Imax movie in my eyes. I wouldn't say M:S is more enjoyable, but it's certainly more unique and distinctive. But I doubt either lasts 40 years.
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt >>> I know theres a happy haunt (you stink) out there that got alot of the free stuff because that seems to be who Disney is trying market to. >> I do not stink..I have POSITIVE Kharma!! I send out good thoughts so GOOD things come to me!! Like cool free Disney stuff!!..Have a Magical Day!!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<The Buzz line always seems to be a mess for whatever reason>> I'd say lack of upkeep and a 'don't give a damn' 'tude from management. Just guessing, though ... ;-)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> I had a great time on THAT trip! (the last stay at my beloved DAK Lodge before the DVC plague descended on it!) << <<I haven't been since they started building it. I sure hope it doesn't change the feel of the resort for me. We've never stayed there, but we've eaten there on numerous occasions. It's unusual to find a Resort with 3 very fine eateries. We have spent hours there just looking at things. That place is Disney done right.>> I agree with all of the above. I have stayed there between 8-10 times now since it opened in 5/01. It is my second-favorite WDW resort. I also visit it regularly (like I did last month) when I am not staying there. But when you add timeshares to the mix, it does change things. (and I am going to try really hard not to take a shot at DVCers ) They've done improvements. Even the non-DVC floors have (or are being renovated). I walked through a brand new hallway two weeks ago and while different than the original carpeting, it is in keeping with the theming. So in some ways the resort is looking better. But then dining ... Mara has absolutely been destroyed in quality and variety. I still remember its first two years when many Disney CMs and suits would search it out because it had such great unique African-inspired cuisine like durban sugar can chicken skewers, tandori-chicken pizza, amazing smoked tomato soup, African house salad. They've been dumbing it down for years, but now it might as well be Pecos Bill's or Liberty Inn. There is nothing remotely unique and the quality has fallen. Boma, while still excellent, has also seen its menu offerings dumbed down to appeal to the chicken fingers, mac n cheese and burger crowds. Jiko is still wonderful, but it too has a more bland slate of offerings at prices that have doubled since the place opened ... and, no, costs haven't doubled. There is a different feel from any timeshare resort (which have kitchens and folks traipsing through lobbies with bags from WalMart) and a high end deluxe resort. And now almost every WDW deluxe resort has a timeshare component. I, for one, don't like that change ... and I fully admit it might be the elitist in me ... but either way, when DVC comes, changes follow. <<I believe it was Kennesaw Tom who pointed out in an earlier post about the unique parks, and Resorts still coming out of WDW. I think he might have a good point with this. Has Disney put their best talent into designing Resorts rather than theme park rides? When you look at AKL the Park itself is a classic. It's Imagineering at it's best.>> Absolutely. They build amazing resorts, even the value motels have some great features. But at some point, does it matter? How many people would travel to WDW if there were no parks to visit just nice resorts to stay at? <<Look at most of the Resorts on property. The rooms themselves, and the service might not be as grandiose as you would expect from Disney, but the Resorts for the most part are stunning. We've spent a considerable amout of time just visiting all the resorts. I think that one could argue that Disney has abandoned the designing of classic rides to concentrate on their building boom.>> One could argue that ... and make a very compelling argument too!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<While I was completely floored by Spirits report on Hong Kong it does give a glimmer of hope to that resort.>> Why? I tell it like I see it. I really liked what I saw at HKDL. It could be an amazing world class Disney resort IF ... IF ... IF ... it gets the proper funding and investment. And even if it sucked, which it most assuredly doesn't, it's in HONG KONG (one of the world's most amazing cities). I'd say the same about DL, DLP and TDL ... they are all located in huge, vibrant, world-class cities, so when you're done with Disney there's plenty to see and do. WDW is located in ... in ... ... in Orlando, Florida. <<Im sure you, and your family would enjoy all 3 Asian resorts.>> Three? Shanghai isn't a done deal ... yet! <<I know I wish I could visit them as well as Paris. >> I wish you could too, MPierce, it would certainly change your perspective on what Disney can and does do ... and what it chooses to do or not do in Orlando.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Furthermore, when you are on WDW property you can't help but see all the finished DVC contruction as well as NEW DVC construction going on. WDW is not stale by any means.>> See ... that's how WDW's 'leadership' team views things. New timeshares = fresh product. I would disagree. WDW wasn't created to be The Timeshare Kingdom of the World ...
