We Are SO Screwed - American Jobs Edition

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    Originally Posted By mawnck

    A medical apparel company in the OC moves its manufacturing to China.

    Why? Not because of taxes. Not because of regulations. It's because the US just can't do it. We don't have adequate skilled workers and supply chains to produce the volume of product they need.

    Is this for real, or doth she protesteth too much? On page 2 she does make a grab for some tax dollars, and OC isn't exactly America's textiles central ...

    <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/why-one-small-us-manufacturer-is-moving-operations-to-china-2011-10" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com...-2011-10</a>
     
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    Originally Posted By velo

    >>We don't have adequate skilled workers and supply chains to produce the volume of product they need.<<

    I don't completely buy that, honestly. I think what it comes down to is that they don't want to pay the U.S. "price" for said workers (and the associated costs). The ability to have "vertical" supply lines for textiles is a money-saver; but one wonders if they couldn't develop or source out supplies here (and again, I think that comes down to what manufacturers believe is the overly high cost of the workers - not just payroll, but liability insurance and regulations). It's the same old story.
     
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    Originally Posted By vbdad55

    Well I trust little that comes out in the media- but I also saw an interview with a gentleman from Siemen's and he said they have over 3000 jobs available here with people less than qualified to fill them ( He was talking engineering jobs)- he also brought upa subject that has been hot in the papers here lately- people coming out of HS unprepared for college work- and not as skilled as they should be coming out of college.

    I see in my area which touts it's school system- a lot of grade inflation. I have been a member of the local school board and continue to work with them on curriculum. We have 4000 student high schools that have 70% of their students 3.8 GPA or better - yet the ACT scores do not reflect that being in the 22 range. A lot of 'gifts' going on - due to NCLB or something else. Then unprepared for college work. I saw it myself with my oldest - a straight A student that struglled in college due to less than stellar reading/writing/grammar skills among other things. Curriculum glossed over- and ACT should have given me heads up- although 24 overall not bad.

    Sent my youngest to private school ( at a huge financial hit to me since $9000/year of my property taxes go gor my 'excellent school system" -

    31 ACT and yet GPA only 3.3 See they di not weight classes- a B in an honors or an AP class is still a B- not higher. No credit for homework instead of as much as 30% of grade. Valedictorian will be a 3.92 - no one at 4.0 or over -yet over 1/3 of class National merit scholars. --

    I think the falling national rankings causing some strange things to happen grade wise.
     
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    Originally Posted By fkurucz

    >> but I also saw an interview with a gentleman from Siemen's and he said they have over 3000 jobs available here with people less than qualified to fill them ( He was talking engineering jobs)-<<

    The issue I'm seeing with engineering jobs is not a lack of "qualified" people, but rather a lack of people who are 100% perfect fits for the job. The Job reqs have say 40 requirements, and there are applicants who meet 37 of the requirements and could learn the other 3 in a few months. Such candidates are "unacceptable" to employers and reqs remain unfilled for months rather than hire someone who is smart and train them. Another issue is "domain knowledge", which is to say knowledge that is specific to a particular industry. Again, there is no desire to train someone who will eventually be an ideal employee.
     
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    Originally Posted By EdisYoda

    Of course there is no desire to train them... it cost money, and the person isn't up to full speed the second they walk in the door.
     
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    Originally Posted By EdisYoda

    BTW, I was not hired by a major University in Columbus, Ohio (which shall remain nameless), for this very reason.
     
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    Originally Posted By gurgitoy2

    "The issue I'm seeing with engineering jobs is not a lack of "qualified" people, but rather a lack of people who are 100% perfect fits for the job. The Job reqs have say 40 requirements, and there are applicants who meet 37 of the requirements and could learn the other 3 in a few months. Such candidates are "unacceptable" to employers and reqs remain unfilled for months rather than hire someone who is smart and train them. Another issue is "domain knowledge", which is to say knowledge that is specific to a particular industry. Again, there is no desire to train someone who will eventually be an ideal employee."

    I was JUST talking about this yesterday at work. We were comparing it to the "old days" (such as they were) where a company would be more likely to take a risk and hire somebody who could learn on the job. These days, nobody wants to do any kind of training, they just expect a candidate to have 100% of the skills to start right out of the gate. It's unrealistic, and keeps otherwise qualified people collecting unemployment.
     
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    Originally Posted By vbdad55

    "BTW, I was not hired by a major University in Columbus, Ohio (which shall remain nameless), for this very reason."

    one only gets paid at that institution if you can play football
     
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    Originally Posted By EdisYoda

    touche'
     
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    Originally Posted By wahooskipper

    All players should be paid. Everyone in college football is making millions...except the players. They trade for tatoos and get suspended. It is ridiculous. And I don't care if you are from OSU or USC.
     
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    Originally Posted By vbdad55

    they get paid- they get a $100K education paid for in most cases -

    plenty of kids would like to have that chance

    I am not for paying college players- the NFL can start a minor league program like baseball if that's what they want.
     

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