Originally Posted By friendofdd Do you know what would have happened if it had been three Wise Women instead of three Wise Men ? Women would say: They would have asked directions, arrived on time, helped deliver the baby, cleaned the stable, made a casserole, and brought practical gifts. Here's Men's rebuttal..... Yeah, and do you know what they said would have said when they left? "Did you see the sandals Mary was wearing with that gown?" "That baby doesn't look anything like Joseph!" "Can you believe they let all of those disgusting animals in the house?" "I heard that Joseph isn't even working right now!" "And that donkey that they are riding has seen better days too!" "Want to bet on how long it will take until you get your casserole dish back?"
Originally Posted By wahooskipper If they were three women they never would have found a thing to wear and, as such, would have missed the whole thing.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Can you imagine three women trying to share the stage at such a momentous event? It would be worse than The View!!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom It would never and still would never have been three wise women since Women have historically not been allowed to travel freely in most of the Middle East. Anytime the Middle East wants to begin treating women as "individuals" and grant them "human rights" I'm certain those in the civilized world are ready to listen. I know this entire thread is ha ha just joking tongue in cheek. But the harsh reality is that women have always historically been treated "subhuman" through out the middle east. And if Muslims had there way. All women through out the world would be treated as subhuman.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I really fail to see the humor when discussing an area of the world that continues to demonstrate the worst ongoing human rights violations and societal violence toward a specific sex.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<It would never and still would never have been three wise women since Women have historically not been allowed to travel freely in most of the Middle East. Anytime the Middle East wants to begin treating women as "individuals" and grant them "human rights" I'm certain those in the civilized world are ready to listen.>> Yea, but they probably wouldn't have been Muslim women... they would have been Jewish. They all would have been trying to line up a wife for baby Jesus.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I really fail to see the humor when discussing an area of the world that continues to demonstrate the worst ongoing human rights violations and societal violence toward a specific sex.>> Now is that any way to talk about Republicans??
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Well if where going to bring politics into it. Maybe you should check with the former Democratic President who is a known and convicted prepetrator of sexual violence toward women. You were saying something about Republicans?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Oh come on KT... lighten up. I was just trying to get the thread back into a lighter vein. P.S. Odds are good that ol’ Slick will end up in the White House again. You better prepare yourself for it! ;-)
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Its not so much the topic as it is the dialog. I think the Social Worker in me us just coming out. But this very topic just trivializes the plight of the majority of women in the world. Ever ten minutes a woman is a victim of domestic violence in the US. Domestic violence is the primary cause of death to women in this country. Its much worse elsewhere. Its just not funny. Its reality and its tragic.
Originally Posted By friendofdd KT, feel free to post what you want to this topic, but the stereotypes used here are definitely based on Americans.
Originally Posted By friendofdd KT, feel free to post what you want to this topic, but the stereotypes used here are definitely based on Americans.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip But the original post was not joking about how Muslim women are treated in the Middle East. It was asking what the difference would have been if the wise men had instead been wise women. By the way... they were NOT Muslim: <<WHO THE MAGI WERE A. Non-Biblical Evidence We may form a conjecture by non-Biblical evidence of a probable meaning to the word magoi. Herodotus (I, ci) is our authority for supposing that the Magi were the sacred caste of the Medes. They provided priests for Persia, and, regardless of dynastic vicissitudes, ever kept up their dominating religious influence. To the head of this caste, Nergal Sharezar, Jeremias gives the title Rab-Mag, "Chief Magus" (Jeremiah 39:3, 39:13, in Hebrew original — Septuagint and Vulgate translations are erroneous here). After the downfall of Assyrian and Babylonian power, the religion of the Magi held sway in Persia. Cyrus completely conquered the sacred caste; his son Cambyses severely repressed it. The Magians revolted and set up Gaumata, their chief, as King of Persia under the name of Smerdis. He was, however, murdered (521 B.C.), and Darius became king. This downfall of the Magi was celebrated by a national Persian holiday called magophonia (Her., III, lxiii, lxxiii, lxxix). Still the religious influence of this priestly caste continued throughout the rule of the Achaemenian dynasty in Persia (Ctesias, "Persica", X-XV); and is not unlikely that at the time of the birth of Christ it was still flourishing under the Parthian dominion. Strabo (XI, ix, 3) says that the Magian priests formed one of the two councils of the Parthian Empire. B. Biblical Evidence The word magoi often has the meaning of "magician", in both Old and New Testaments (see Acts 8:9; 13:6, 8; also the Septuagint of Daniel 1:20; 2:2, 2:10, 2:27; 4:4; 5:7, 5:11, 5:15). St. Justin (Tryph., lxxviii), Origen (Cels., I, lx), St. Augustine (Serm. xx, De epiphania) and St. Jerome (In Isa., xix, 1) find the same meaning in the second chapter of Matthew, though this is not the common interpretation. >> Source: <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09527a.htm" target="_blank">http://www.newadvent.org/cathe n/09527a.htm</a>
Originally Posted By disneyfreaksk The truth hurts. But on the lighter side: The gifts would have definately been something baby Jesus could have used, like a hand-made quilt!
