Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I know some of you only really read the WDW boards, but I thought you might be interested to read this thread on the Disneyland Board. I welcome your thoughts, and for some of you who don't want the negativity, you will see why my feelings are different towards Disney today than before in life: <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-117811-P-15.asp?C=1" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms....asp?C=1</a>
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I know some of you only really read the WDW boards, but I thought you might be interested to read this thread on the Disneyland Board. I welcome your thoughts, and for some of you who don't want the negativity, you will see why my feelings are different towards Disney today than before in life: <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-117811-P-15.asp?C=1" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms....asp?C=1</a>
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I don't know if I would say the Magic has left WDW. I think what for most of us who consider WDW our "home" park, we are just finding things in the parks to be getting a bit stale. Especially when at the same time we are seeing DVCs built everywhere on property and Universal up the street putting in Harry Potterland. But, I realize that Disney is throwing huge amounts of money building a new crusie ship as well as constructing their Hotel property in Hawaii. Those of us who love WDW can be very patient individuals when we need to be. I'm also want to point out that I don't believe that your typical WDW fan feels we feel obligated to settle on less as there is always Universal and Seaworld minutes away whenever we get bored. O-town is still an incredible vacation destination and I don't see that changing.
Originally Posted By Blufusion05 Maybe we are just tired of the same old thing . And want better from a company that as taken our money and has not offered anything new in a long time. and I do mean a long time
Originally Posted By Manfried What to do when the magic leaves? Don't go. In fact, many people are going too often and too much for too short a stay. Then those same people constantly complain about their constant visits not being magical any more. Well, DUH! Too much of anything is not good. And for those who need Disney to be their be all all the time - GET A LIFE! I spend two days a week at a nursing home not because I am a senior citizen, but because I am healthy and those folks would love for anyone to come by on a regular basis and just visit with them. I get a lot of joy out of those visits and wish upon a star more people would do that. Instead I see people, both Disney fans and Disney employees, spending all their time and money in the parks and then complaining about it. If you have that much time, then start spending it doing something else. Still go to WDW and DL and the others, but a little less often.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb The single thing that is causing DL to loose its magic is over-crowding. Thanks to the AP program there in no "off" season anymore. They really need to limit the number of each type of AP sold each month. Keep in mind this is coming from a woman who has been an Annual Pass holder off and on for almost 21 years. The last trip my son and I took to DL we got a hotel and could have spent 35 total hours in the parks and I think we spent less than 10 hours, by mutual agreement. WDW is still special to us.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I rarely, if ever, read anything about overcrowding at the Florida parks. I know that waits for attractions can be long at WDW, but are crowds ever a problem there like they can be in Anaheim?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Manny, dude, why all the hating on APers? Seriously. I get that some folks practically live at the parks (for all sorts of reasons, many that suggest mental health issues). But painting them all with the brush of they should stay away instead of going and noticing/commenting/complaining about things that shouldn't be? I just don't get or agree with that type of mindset at all. It basically says it's cool that TWDC can't/won't live up to its own standards, history and PR hype. I visited four of five Disney resorts worldwide in 2010 (and was at the other in Paris in late 2009) and I took a two-week Disney cruise too this year. I noticed great things and not so great at all ... but only one resort felt tired, stale and living by coasting on its rep ... that one is sadly the one that I can drive to in three hours. The magic hasn't left me at all. I'm probably more a Disney fan now than ever ... but I think Disney stopped caring about really making the magic in Orlando a long, long time ago.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Yes crowding has alwasy been an issue at WDW. There are times when the lines for Soaring, Test track and Killamagero Safari can be over 2 hours long. What is also frustrating is when rides are intentionally run at half capacity, often the case with Big Thunder Mountain where they are just running one side or trains and not both sides. And you want to keep in mind that many of these ques are outside in the intense Florida heat and humidty.
Originally Posted By Manfried When I used to work at the parks, I noticed more and more things wrong every day. You can't help it. More and more things are wrong when you're there all the time. Now sometimes things are wrong and they should be mentioned. But sometimes its just normal wear and tear that gets dealt with during rehabs. I think people who go a lot notice things that aren't really there a lot. And tend to focus on so much minutia of what's wrong, they forget what's right. I also do not like the AP program the way it is structured. It leads to the crowding problems with blackout days and leads to a large number of whiny complaining APers who basically want something more than what they paid for. So yes, I wish APers would go away. Or perhaps better said would be that I wish Disney would seriously rethink the program.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb It is frustrating when the rides run at partial capacity causing artificially long lines. But as for being physically over crowded the way Disneyland gets? I've never seen it. I will often be shoulder to shoulder, elbow to elbow with complete strangers walking through Adventureland DL, any time of day any day of the week. The only time I've been that close to that many strangers in the World would be the opening night of Nighttastic at MK last June when half of Florida (or so it seemed) was gathered in front of Cindy's castle, or trying to leave MK at closing on a busy night when *everyone* is doing exactly the same thing, which also happens at DL. As someone who just recently held the Premier AP, I don't see the AP program causing anywhere near the over-crowding the DL AP causes.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt ^^Thanks Deb. I haven't been to WDW as many times as DL, but even during busy seasons I can't recall a time when the park felt as miserably crowded as DL does. Presumably part of the problem has to do with capacity. DL is simply not designed to handle traffic as efficiently has WDW's Magic Kingdom.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I really don't see the AP program as being a problem with WDW. In DL you can literally walk from any parking lot or street around DL into the parks in under 10 Minutes making it much more accessable for the average person. If we are talking about the MK at WDW once you get on property our looking at a 10-20 minute drive just to the parking lots. Then it's anouther 14 minute ride on either a monorail or ferry boat to get to the gates of the MK. Putting it mildly, It's a hike. WDW isn't dependent on APers as it's primary source of guests. In the case of WDW they are relying on people from other countries ( hello UK ) for it's bread and butter.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom DL doesn't get anywhere near the foreign park guests WDW gets. WDW's guests basically fall into 4 categories. 1) Florida residents 2) Consumers within driving range ( ie Atlanta). 3) Consumers in the USA dependent on flying to WDW. 4) Consumers from foreign countries. WDW looks at all 4 categories and say the price of jet fuel goes up..... they they know they have to create "incentives" to the other categories to mnake up the difference. Say the economy in the USA sucks, then you look to foreign consumers to make up the difference.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Keep WDW special, keep the APers out. Or limit them to twice a year.<<< Meanwhile DL has tons of APers and had better upkeep, management, and a better sense of History than our parks. Don't get that approach...
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And tend to focus on so much minutia of what's wrong, they forget what's right.<<< You know what? It's Disney. Minutia is expected to be right, as are greater things.
Originally Posted By disney pete Do ya know what Dave DL and DLP are on my bucket list but the more i read and the more pics i see WDW will allways be the one for me orlando has lots to keep me busy.
Originally Posted By u k fan Pete, you'd be missing out by not trying DLP at least once. There's less to do nearby, but some of the attractions beat WDW hands down!!!
