Originally Posted By FerretAfros Did Alice forget to take her meds? (Or did she just take some one else's?) : )
Originally Posted By disneywife i happen to be one of the few ppl who does like DCA. i actually like it a little more the DL. i love the way it makes me feel wierd i know. now i was there in july of last year, it was freakin hot out there. so i deicided not to go this summer and hope to have some releif in Nov, but now where i live is having major heat. anyways i do think DCA has gotten an unfair opinons from folks it may not feel as diney as the other park but it is not supposed to it is supposed to feel like how california was back in the day. just my thoughts .
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I also like DCA, but it is just very very different from DL. I haven't grown up on DCA, so it just doesn't have that special place in my heart. DCA has a distinct feel, and it is definately not the same feel you will get at any other park (Disney or not), IMO.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I think what Dark Beer is expressing is his frustration that Disney has not yet made any meaningful moves to solve the problem. The WDC is still holding on to the fantasy that this park can be fixed one attraction at a time despite five years of evidence to the contrary.<< One reason I don't think that this will happen (major overhaul of DCA) is because they would probably have to close the park for months. Imagine paying top dollar to stay at the GC only to have a view of a half gutted park, not to mention being serenaded every morning by the sound of jackhammers.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I'm sure they could tell people when they make reservations that there would be construction going on then. I think that, no matter how little the park may make in a single day of operation, the huge ammount lost, by keeping those really expensive ride systems (even the "cheap" ones) and the CM's, without using them to really do anything. I could see them closing down major sections of the park at a time, and then just have all tickets be park hoppers, at one day-one park prices, while that is going on. This would give construction crews the extra space they would need to have major changes, yet keep the park open, without making people feel like they are getting ripped off on their tickets. I realistically don't see that hapening, but it seems like the best way to me.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Any new attractions are likely to be added to the perimeter of the existing park - either on the 'timon' side, or around the edges. There's no need to close the park entirely or even partly, just small portions of it. And if they were to decide to remove an attraction or two, most every attraction has access to a 'backstage' side - there's very little in DCA that provides the public access to all sides - GRR comes to mind, and a few of the clunkers in PP. Everything else can be accessed from areas outside of the guest areas. I think the highest priority should be to get an attraction in the pacific wharf area - a "real" attraction, the bakery and tortilla factories don't count. Has there ever been a 'land' in a disney park without an attraction before?
Originally Posted By wonderingalice <<Did Alice forget to take her meds? (Or did she just take some one else's?)>> *LOL* It was carry-over craziness from the last thread that examined the reasons for low DCA summer crowds. That one disintegrated into a discussion about the cheap metal window frames in Paradise Pier. ;-)
Originally Posted By wonderingalice I should add that I also enjoy DCA very much as a change of pace... Mr. Alice and I spend quality time over there during every trip to the DLR. It's fun AND relaxing.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>And if they were to decide to remove an attraction or two, most every attraction has access to a 'backstage' side - there's very little in DCA that provides the public access to all sides - GRR comes to mind, and a few of the clunkers in PP. Everything else can be accessed from areas outside of the guest areas.<< But if they were really going to radically change the park I'm not sure this would work. For instance, if they were to replace paradise pier with a new "land" it would be major work: existing rides would have to be removed, the area would probably be bulldozed and a whole new land built to replace it. The best we can hope for is gradual improvement. They will probably replace one attraction at at time. This approach, of course, makes it much harder to change PP into something else. There is hope however. They did shut down Fantasyland for a total overhaul many years ago.
Originally Posted By ploeb909 Maybe everyone will be gone and go home so that when I arrive on Aug.1st I can just walk on all the rides...NOT!!!
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "But over in the DLP section, they are talking about how if the new Toon Studios in WDSP doesn't pull more people in, they will stop trying to add new things for a while." Not surprising. It's pretty much been proven that new attractions rarely increase attendance, especially long term. They merely serve to uphold the status quo.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> Merely redesigning a “district†won’t do much. I think we all remember what marketing duds 1983’s New Fantasyland << If by "marketing dud" you mean a modification that didn't really boost attendance or, worse, was followed by a drop in attendance, you may be correct, as I don't know what happened to ticket sales in 1983-1984. However, from a creative standpoint, the remodeling of Fantasyland was long overdue and resulted in a more elaborate, sophisticated themed area, certainly compared with the more cut-rate, outdated look of the 1950s version of Fantasyland.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros There was also that little thing called Tomorrowland '67 that essentiall closed all of TL for around 10 months, while they built all new attractions, giving the land a new life. Sure, they got dated over the years and I don't believe any of the new '67 attractions are still at DL (TL Terrace survives as Club Buzz, and the Carousel of Progress was shipped over to WDW where it plays daily), but it turned out to be a huge success. I believe that if they do the proper pairing of placemaking and attractions will be the best way to make the modification of DCA.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^ In todays 24/7 world I wonder if they would have the courge to do that. Base on the latest DCA scuttlebutt, it appears not to be the case (DCA to be changed over a multiyear period, per Jim Hill)
Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>Maybe everyone will be gone and go home so that when I arrive on Aug.1st I can just walk on all the rides...NOT!!!<< If you get there during the right time of day, believe me, you're going to be walking on the rides.
Originally Posted By fkurucz I want to hear this as well. There have never been DCA walk ons when we visit DLR. I'm talking about the good stuff, not junk like the Orange Stinger. The best I have ever seen were 5 minute waits for ToT and Screamin'. Soarin' always seems to have a 30+ minute standby.
Originally Posted By Park Hopper “If by "marketing dud" you mean a modification that didn't really boost attendance or, worse, was followed by a drop in attendance, you may be correct,†That is exactly what I mean. Artistically the success of the New Fantasyland is beyond debate. However as far as getting people through the gates, it did less then nothing. “There was also that little thing called Tomorrowland '67†Funny you should bring this up… You are aware that late ’66 also saw the opening of New Orleans Square as well as it’s a small world and the addition of some dinosaurs for the train. In 1967, not only did they have a new Tomorrowland almost built from scratch but across the way a little thing called Pirates of the Caribbean also opened. If DCA were to pull something like this off in a 12-month period, I think it would be enough to tilt the scales and change people’s opinion of the park. But Disney can’t skimp on this. They have to knock people’s socks off!
Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>9oldmen...what time would that be.???<< I don't know, the times when Darkbeer takes his pictures? Early in the morning? The off season?
Originally Posted By nemopoppins Perhaps excepting these extra hot days, GRR is usually a walk on in the last half hour of the day. We always try to see how many times we can get on during that half hour before they close it.
