Originally Posted By RoadTrip Obama is so middle of the road it is unbelievable. How anyone could ever accuse him of being a leftie is completely beyond me. As I’ve heard some people say, Obama is the modern face of what the Republican Party should be.
Originally Posted By Mr X So, what were your reasons for favoring McCain again, then? Weren't you one of the ones complaining about his "Socialist Agenda"? Why the switch? (seriously...just curious)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Seems to me only the Rushies are accusing the Dems of moving further left at this stage. What happens after Obama takes office remains to be seen, of course.< funny even the most ardent Democratic supporters I know admit Barack is left of the Clintons - hell I believe even Barack would admit to that - so why would throwing out a comment about "Rushies" seem to be the retort to something that seems obviously true ? No one said far left nut job left- but moving left .please explain to me how that is not a true statement. Everyone who believes the Democratic party is moving left is not a right wing crazy...although some would like to paint it that way. that would be like someone trying to say the GOP ticket didn't move further right after Palin joined it - of course it did and those who claimed it did were not "Michael Moore-ites",it's just a fact ( and one that cost them any chance at the election) --
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Obama is so middle of the road it is unbelievable. How anyone could ever accuse him of being a leftie is completely beyond me. As I’ve heard some people say, Obama is the modern face of what the Republican Party should be. < what ? Is it beer night at the lodge ? j/k - well kind of anyway as this statement makes no sense to me whatsoever. Barackis clearly left of center and he has said so....not far left no, but left, yes.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder vbdad, since Obama has been elected, what has he done to suggest he's left of the Clintons? Appoint Hillary? Retain Gates? Seriously, what? Voting in the Illinois state senate is one thing. Voting in the U.S. Senate another. Governing a country like ours is yet another animal entirely, and so since he's actually been set up with that responsibility, he's given every indication he knows he's now playing by a different set of rules. Here's a crude yet simple and apt analogy. Before I got married, I was a hound. I had a very good time, especially in my 20's to mid 30's. Then I got a little older, started to appreciate the stability of relationships more. I wasn't monogamous, but I wasn't maniacal anymore either. Got to my 40's, finally started to grow up. Got married, been monogamous the entire time. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate variety anymore, or that I don't still have Jimmy Carter syndrome with lust in my heart. But I won't act on it, because that just isn't the thing to do anymore, for many, many reasons.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder If this poll is any indication, the GOP is going to be in a world of hurt for a while. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/05/poll.2012/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...dex.html</a>
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Weren't you one of the ones complaining about his "Socialist Agenda"?>> Please get a clue. Please show me where I EVER complained about Obama’s socialist agenda. You make this crap up as you go along. I said that I thought McCain had greater experience in Foreign Affairs and that I preferred McCain's health plan. I will not argue with you any further. To do so would indicate I felt you opinions were worth something. Which they clearly are not. Have the balls to come back to the United States and we can talk. Until then you are an ex-pat and your views are worth nothing.
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Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>that would be like someone trying to say the GOP ticket didn't move further right after Palin joined it - of course it did and those who claimed it did were not "Michael Moore-ites",it's just a fact ( and one that cost them any chance at the election) << Absolutely. Several brand-name conservatives spoke up about it, too. And that's the question -- will the GOP be lead more by those who thought Palin was a great idea, or by those who spoke up and said it was the wrong direction? I don't believe that Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin or any of this year's candidates will be the standard bearer for the GOP in 4 years. All of them are off the mark for where the country is, and where the country is moving. We're perhaps too fresh off this election cycle to fully appreciate just how off the rails the GOP was this time around. I do think they will adapt and change a great deal over the next 4 years. I hope they offer more than just 4 years of obstructionism, however, and actually offer up solutions to the problems we're facing.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < he's given every indication he knows he's now playing by a different set of rules. < SPP - he's not playing by anything yet...he's in pre presidential mode.His opinions are left of center - even he admits to that, why does there seem to have to be flag waving for the fact he's not ? Many of the people who voted for him did so because he is left of center - that's a simple fact. He's not Al Franken or Michael Moore- no, no one said he was.But to portray him as Ronald Reagan like is just wrong as well. And sorry, one cannot discount how he voted ( when he actually did) in Illinois - that is who the man is- he's not going to morph into someone else now-- nor should he - he got elected on who he is ( unless you want to tell me he got elected because Bush screwed up so badly ) The first Supreme Court judge he appoints - revisit this discussion.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>But to portray him as Ronald Reagan like is just wrong as well.<< To portray Ronald Reagan as the center is super duper triple scooper wrong. Obama seems to be defying attempts to categorize him in either direction. I approve of that.
