Originally Posted By danyoung >MAGIC . . turning WDW into the most magnificant garden in 7 days with flowers blooming everywhere on property. Now thats magic! Lets talk about that!!< I'd love to talk about it, if I knew what you were talking about. >Love ya all, lets be positive.< It bothers me when someone comes on in attack mode like you did and then tries to say love ya all, lets be positive. It appears that you combed through TDLFAN's post and only found that CM's don't get a 35% discount on wine, and something about the long hours that custodial staff works. You've proved nothing, but you continue to flame - yes, flame - as if you are the sole keeper of the truth. Read the points that Spirit was making and refute them or agree with them. But quit trying to trip people up on technicalities.
Originally Posted By Boomerbilia Hey TDL.. Thank you so much for figuring out how to put me down and build yourself up. Sorry, I am not from the Mid West. I actually come from the North East after selling 2 businesses that allow me to travel to EVERY Disney Destination in the world also. I LOVE comparing PDR and the filth all over the park in comparision to TDL and the US parks. I Love the cruise line and have witnessed Cast Members cleaning a spot on the carpet with a toothbrush. Lets go positive. WDW for the quantity of Guests does a great job. Every company loses their direction every once in a while (Eisner ?) (second Figment ride?) But Thank Gosh Disney learns and adjusts. There will always be someone who can complain about something...If 100,000 Guests visit and 1 percent post negatives on boards, that would seem like a lot, but that is only 1,000 people. 99.9 positive is pretty darn good. I thank you all for listening to me. My only point is to post with truth and honesty. If you don't know, ASK. Again, I am only a part time Cast, not a spy nor management. I work for Disney to see the magic and appreciate it... not only through my eyes but my friends and family. There is Magic always. Thats called DIVERSITY and it does exist at WDW LOVE YA ALL
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Some of us have racked up over 1000 tdays with the mouse around the globe. Yes there is some magic at the MK, but no where what there used to be, nor what can be found in DL, TDL or even DLP. We gripe not to get off on it, but simply to check "are we missing something", or in the hope a manager at the house of mouse will read and do something about it.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Again, if you haven't taken a DVC tour or visited a preview center for the info, don't discuss what you don't know.>> Well, I've taken a DVC tour. In fact I've purchased DVC points twice... first at the Boardwalk, then at Saratoga Springs. When I tell people I'm going to WDW and ask where I stay, I will say at a DVC resort and then go on to explain that it is "kind of like a time-share for Disney resorts". Sure, that is not technically accurate. I know all about the difference... being able to choose when to go, what resort to stay in, what type of unit you want, etc. But I refer to it as a "timeshare" because that is what people understand. As for the criticism DVC takes from TDLFAN and to a lesser extent from The Spirit, what can I say? Even visionaries have a blind spot, and DVC is theirs. As a DVC owner I appreciate the spacious accommodations they offer and the value ownership gives. I will not apologize for owning DVC or for staying there. Jealousy can be a nasty thing. ;-) I believe that WDW today is a far more enjoyable destination resort than it was when I first visited in 1991. The Animal Kingdom Park is a magnificent park and in my evaluation offsets a certain number of faults in the other areas of WDW. The Wilderness Lodge and Animal Kingdom Lodge are beautiful properties and add significantly to the resort. As I mentioned in my post, I still see the magic in the Magic Kingdom. I always will. But that doesn't mean The Spirit is wrong. In fact as I also said in my post, I did not disagree with anything he said. The fact that I can overlook the bad during my once or twice a year visits does not mean that everyone can or should. In an ideal world a person would not have to accept a diminished Magic Kingdom in exchange for the Animal Kingdom and other WDW improvements. I am willing to accept WDW reality and enjoy it for what it is. Others cannot do that. They question why WDW is not what it COULD BE. I think it is a good thing that both viewpoints exist. <<You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, "Why not?" --George Bernard Shaw>>
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Boomerbilia, I'm not one to make a snap judgement on a new poster. I don't know if you're a flamer or a Disney spy, and I don't care. All I care about is your words here. And your words are couched so deeply in anger that whatever message you're trying to convey is completely lost. If you'd spent any time reading here you'd see that folks like TDLFAN and the Spirit (and ME!) deeply love the Disney properties, and are upset about their downslide because they know exactly how great the parks used to be and in some cases aren't any more, particularly the MK. And if you'd read this entire thread, and others like it here and on other web sites, you'd see that many more people AGREE with the Spirit than disagree, which should be an indication to any sensible person that there may indeed be problems within all that magic. To paraphrase Ben Franklin, perhaps it's time for you to doubt a little of your own infallibility, take off the rose colored glasses, and see the place for what it's become - still a wonderful, "magical" place, but not at wonderful as it used to be.>> Danny, that's a great, concise explanation of the sheer magnificance of folks like us. But I do make snap judgments on posters based on their words, tone, style and history (or in this case, lackthereof). When someone comes on here into a community and immediately attacks people (using just enough niceties to avoid those pesky moderators ... I mean, isn't that whole post just an attack on me and not my ideas?), I have zero use for them. I have no clue if this is some Disney manager, some plant or just an overzealous CM. I don't really care either. They obviously checked out my prolific posting history and made judgments about my life (that are naturally way off) based on that. Again, the only reason this person is here is to derail this thread. That's why they brought in everything from Pong, to DVC, to me hating DAK (yeah, we all know that one's going to fly ... I need to tell Joe Rohde how much I hate the place the next time I see him!), to ripping Universal, etc`... in other words, things that had zero to do with this thread or my points. I wish people would just ignore the trolls, but when they're so obnoxious and in your face we tend to want to poke them some. It just isn't worth it.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Some of us have racked up over 1000 tdays with the mouse around the globe. Yes there is some magic at the MK, but no where what there used to be, nor what can be found in DL, TDL or even DLP. We gripe not to get off on it, but simply to check "are we missing something", or in the hope a manager at the house of mouse will read and do something about it.>> Yep ... and for the simple fact that are more people read here than will ever post. People from Joe and Jane Everybody from Podunk to investors to reporters to consultants who work for the company to front-line CMs. And we all know that no execs ever read anything here. We know that one WDW VP wasn't recently witnessed reading this very site (it could have been worse, at least he had his pants on! ;-) ) We know that threads here don't ever get printed out and discussed by execs in Glendale and Burbank (and Orlando and Anaheim). And we know Disney doesn't care about these 'inconsequential' sites. I say 'Let's all keep spreading the magic in our own unique ways!'
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<As for the criticism DVC takes from TDLFAN and to a lesser extent from The Spirit, what can I say? Even visionaries have a blind spot, and DVC is theirs.>> Wow! You think TDLFAN and I are visionaries? I might have to start liking you, you big lug ;-) But, Trippy, seriously, I don't have a thing against DVC. I think it is a wonderful product and have in just the last 2 1/2 years stayed at SS, BW and HH. My complaint, as you well know, is that WDW is being DVC'd to death. It's also the fact I believe they should be built as stand-alone resorts or like Boardwalk where everything is incorporated from the start. Not added on like Beach Club, which was literally shoehorned in ... or even the WLV, which they did do a nice job one. Let them build some DVC in SoCal, in Hawaii, DLP, NYC, Rockies etc ... then we can talk about adding to WDW. You also know I've stated I believe at this point that DVCers are the best hope for improvements at WDW. They are going to vastly different responses to folks who have ponied up $25,000 (or more ... I know some 'crazy' folks who are into DVC for over $75,000!) when the say 'why is the MK so dirty?' or 'how come you never add any E-Tickets to the MK?' or 'why with all the money we're paying as 'owners' can't they clean the walkways and bathrooms like they used to?' If DVCers ever woke up and organized, they would be a true force to be reckoned with. I truly hope that happens. <<I believe that WDW today is a far more enjoyable destination resort than it was when I first visited in 1991.>> I wouldn't use the word 'enjoyable' ... I would say it is more diverse in its offerings. Unfortunately, the overdevelopment has come with a hefty price in terms of Disney no longer being a PREMIUM product. <<The Animal Kingdom Park is a magnificent park and in my evaluation offsets a certain number of faults in the other areas of WDW. The Wilderness Lodge and Animal Kingdom Lodge are beautiful properties and add significantly to the resort.>> You know I love those places greatly, but I don't see why the MK has to be stale, dirty and poorly run to have those. There shouldn't have to be a tradeoff, Tripster. If anything, with all the added revenue/profits coming into P&R because of those additions, the quality should be INCREASING. <<As I mentioned in my post, I still see the magic in the Magic Kingdom. I always will. But that doesn't mean The Spirit is wrong. In fact as I also said in my post, I did not disagree with anything he said. The fact that I can overlook the bad during my once or twice a year visits does not mean that everyone can or should. In an ideal world a person would not have to accept a diminished Magic Kingdom in exchange for the Animal Kingdom and other WDW improvements. I am willing to accept WDW reality and enjoy it for what it is. Others cannot do that. They question why WDW is not what it COULD BE. I think it is a good thing that both viewpoints exist.>> I think we're saying the same thing, so why am I wasting time responding when I could be eating? <<You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, "Why not?" --George Bernard Shaw>> A great quote indeed.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I actually come from the North East<< Even worst! No wonder you think FLorida (and WDW in particular) are "heavenly". >>after selling 2 businesses that allow me to travel to EVERY Disney Destination in the world also.<< ...and you need a part-time job at WDW because...? >>I Love the cruise line and have witnessed Cast Members cleaning a spot on the carpet with a toothbrush.<< Well we finally agree on something... The DCL has a higher standard of service than the WDW of today can only dream of accomplishing, and this is something I reported on when I went on it. Personally, if I was a tourist, I'd skip WDW and just do the Cruise. Furthermore, I used to see CMs on their knees cleaning likewise dirt spots and toilets in the MK of long ago, but do not see that anymore... IN the meantime, take a look at the Custodials at TDL and HKDL... sweeping floors that are pristine enough for guests to sit on and eat in peace. >>Lets go positive.<< Well... it't too late for that now. It was YOU who came in ranting on people's opinions you don't agree with in a flaming, personal attack-like attitude. You have lost credibility with me to now backpedal and ask us to be "positive" and tell us to "LOVE y'all." You should have thought about it before bulldozing your way over every one else's comments with your attitude. Now, Take your electronic clipboard and go out there to take polls as guests exit EPCOT.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Wow! You think TDLFAN and I are visionaries?<< No am not a visionary, but a Disney guest who demands the upmost quality to match the price, and WDW' price of admission does not match the quality I have come to received at the other Disney resorts. I come to WDW (or any Disney park for that matter) to escape reality, and more and more... that is not the case. I find myself escaping WDW to avoid High School Musical, Hannah Montana, and all those things that simply have not place being the MK or any Disney park, except for the Studios Park. My "rag" (my favorite new word) is meant to be a comment to build on positive things later on, if read by the right people, and I know they do read this stuff.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN ..You know... after all this crap and Broomemorabilia promising everyone the return of the Country Bear Christmas show... I am in the mood for a drive over to WDW this afternoon. Why not? It's scorching hot and party cloudy... Perfect to sip on a Kakigori in Japan's Pavillion. Look for handsome guy wearing a DLP Phantom Manor Tee... and come join me. We can also play my favorite TDL game "Count the Custodials" and see if we can break TDL's record of 13 custodials in one single 360 look.
Originally Posted By Boomerbilia Thank you RoadTrip. And, it is always easy to 'dump' and 'pick' on the new kid because they see something different and say something that is against what you are saying. DIVERSITY - ACCEPT THE DIFFERENCE - Try looking at other things at Disney besides the rare overflowing garbage can. I ALWAYS am amazed at the great sunsets I see at Epcot. I am AMAZED at the huge selection of quality food. I am AMAZED at how Disney keeps coming up with new ideas to fill 47 square miles of land. Have any of you taken any of the back roads and found Disney's plant/tree farm? Get out of the MK for a day and DISCOVER the MAGIC you have never seen. Ever wonder where the town of Bay Lake is? Do you know what its purpose is? It is not a question of the MAGIC at MK, it is now at the point that it is a full park. What do you pull to add a new attraction? How many of you would be going through the roof if Progess was removed? Hey, since you complain about Space Mountain, lets take it out and turn it into an Underdog ride. THINK..... what do any of you want to get rid of to add another ride? BE HAPPY. To have someone try to pull a 'one upmanship' on another poster by saying "I've been to every park in the world" so what. ENJOY what is here. Look at the rose from a different direction. The Magic is 100% there. Just because it is 100 degrees outside and you want to rag doesn't mean the magic isn't there. It is... in all its glory. I'm done. I've said it all. Its time for you to look at Disney from the LEFT next time you go to the parks and not the RIGHT. Geez... I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
Originally Posted By Boomerbilia >>Let them build some DVC in SoCal, in Hawaii, DLP, NYC, Rockies etc ... then we can talk about adding to WDW.<< And who says they arn't loooking into doing it? Deep digging may reveal some interesting facts on this
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'm done. I've said it all.>> Don't let the door hit you on your way out to view the sunset at Epcot!
Originally Posted By nats30 Iremember my first visit in 1974. We went in July. It was hot and when we stood in line there were air conditioned pipes blowing cool aor down on us. The place was clean. The paying guests and cast members were not rude. HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Geez... I hope you understand what I am trying to say.< Yes, you're trying to say look at the parks from a positive point of view. Again, if you'll read some of the 9000 posts that TDLFAN has made, or the thousands that Spirit has made, or the hundreds that I've made, you'll see that we really do enjoy coming to WDW. But you don't have to come in with a stoned smile on your face - it's OK to see the bumps and bruises. And when the problems go on a long time without any hint of them getting fixed, then it's easy to see why some people become upset with the current management that isn't managing this place we all love to the standard that was set by the founder. Sorry, I don't think you're gonna last long here . . .
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Just what we need... another slacker CM admiring the sunset instead of doing his/her job to the bestof his/her capabilities.. AKA.. creating "magic". Hmmm... "magic", a word Disney has made to be overrated now a days... Kind of hard for me to enjoy the "magic" when the overflowing garbage can next to the lovely floral garden is blocking my view. >>DIVERSITY - ACCEPT THE DIFFERENCE<< That is why we find ourselves more accepting of Universal...and northeners crashing our town permanently. >>Have any of you taken any of the back roads and found Disney's plant/tree farm? Get out of the MK for a day and DISCOVER the MAGIC you have never seen.<< Yes, they have lovely residences back there from the $400,000 to the Millions. Plus your ocasional trailer park complex. >>Ever wonder where the town of Bay Lake is? Do you know what its purpose is?<< Yes... (rolls eyes). We went thru Traditions class as well. >>It is not a question of the MAGIC at MK, it is now at the point that it is a full park. What do you pull to add a new attraction?<< Pull the Pooh Playground, the Aladdin spinner, the DVC counters, Toontown Fair (it's not called "fair" for nothing)... >>How many of you would be going through the roof if Progess was removed?<< The COP is in such bad shape, I honestly would not mind it being ripped off the ground forever. AS LONG as it is replaced with something we can be proud of Disney for... like a new Horizons ride, or even America Sings! >>Hey, since you complain about Space Mountain, lets take it out and turn it into an Underdog ride.<< Well, that would be the actual mentality of the current crop of managers... to take something classic and replace it with some bad movie theme... But in my case, I rag (that word again) to improve things. Take MK's Space Mountain.. the first such ride to be built at any of the Disney parks, back in '74 I believe. Good year by the way.. Do you know why we really rag?? Bacause, aside from the pre and post shows in the queue and placing new vehicles on the track, NOTHING has been done to the oldest Sapce Mt in operation to improve the show and quality of the ride, and I mean NOTHING! DL's SM already has had one major renovation and seasonal overlay.. at WDW? NOTHING! TDL's SM just went thur a refurbishing that changed the show in the ride and upgraded some effects, and that one opened in 83. At WDW?? NOTHING! DLP's SM, well.. that's a unique story of sorry excuses to make a great ride into a lame version... Still! It's a better ride and show than WDW's. And HKDL's SM, brand new with great effects that could be incorporated into WDW's SM cheaply.. but NO! Get get nothing of major importance done to the rides at all. IASW... major refurbishing 2 yrs ago, and already the ride is visibly in mediocre shape, with dolls that won't operate and special effect (or lack of) that were of lesser quality than those installed in the DLP version back in 1992! This is the reason why we are going to place Spaceship Earth and the Hanuted Mansion's new refurbishements under the microscope when they open later in the fall, and I for one will be the first one to yell "HURRAY!", if these improvements exceed my expectations, while maintaining the integrity of the ride, like the subtle but very well done and executed POTC re-hab.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Leaving for WDW shortly. Anyone wants to join me and check out the sunset over the west side of EPCOT later tonight? I will have the DLP Phantom manor tee... look for me please.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Thank you RoadTrip.>> Don't thank me too much. ;-) Although I still see the magic in the Magic Kingdom, I have to agree with TDLFAN and the Spirit on most of their points. What really brought the decline home to me was on our last trip when I caught myself saying to my wife "Let's use the restrooms in Morocco... they're usually pretty clean". When I first went to WDW in 1991 that was the one thing that amazed me more than everything else. The restrooms, every restroom, was SPOTLESS. Today when you find a restroom in that good of shape it is cause for celebration. It truly is sad. So, yes, I still find the magic in the Magic Kingdom. I find that WDW overall is a better destination resort than it was in 1991. In 1991 you could maybe spend 4-5 days there at most. Now I can easily spend 10 days there and still not see everything I wanted to see. But don't think for a moment that I have not seen some things take a major slide, because I have. I just choose to overlook them and not spoil my vacation. So I don't think you opinions are all wrong, but I certainly don't think Spirit's and TDLFAN's are either.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> DIVERSITY - ACCEPT THE DIFFERENCE - Try looking at other things at Disney besides the rare overflowing garbage can. << Sorry, I'm not Mother Teresa. I spend thousands (just like almost everyone) on my vacation to WDW. I do not spend good money to look at trash anywhere, at anytime. No excuse for this is accetable to me. >> I ALWAYS am amazed at the great sunsets I see at Epcot. << Me to. that's my favorite place to be at sunset. However I can see great sunsets in my back yard. >> Have any of you taken any of the back roads and found Disney's plant/tree farm? Get out of the MK for a day and DISCOVER the MAGIC you have never seen. << I can see some nice tree farms here in Texas. I'm paying for the feeling of Magic. That's the feeling I want to get from the Magic Kingdom. >> Ever wonder where the town of Bay Lake is? Do you know what its purpose is? << Nope, I know where it is, and I know what it's purpose is. I learned it right here at laughing place. >> It is not a question of the MAGIC at MK, it is now at the point that it is a full park. << Now I'm confused. Didn't Spirit start this thread addressing that issue, and expressing his opinion in his initial post. So I would have to say this thread is only about the Magic. I just wish when you said it was a full park it meant filled with Magic. >> THINK..... what do any of you want to get rid of to add another ride? << I would be happy if they maintained the rides, kept the parks clean, came up with a transportation system that did not force people to stand, and came up with new, and innovative ideas for all of WDW. >> ENJOY what is here. Look at the rose from a different direction. The Magic is 100% there. << I do enjoy what is WDW, however it could be, and should be better. I really have to disagree with your opinion about the Magic. I can still feel it, it's just that the feeling has deminished. Is it just me are does it seem like there's been an all out attack directed at Spirit in a couple of post in a couple of different threads here lately. I wonder who he ticked off this time? He's such a charmer.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>So, yes, I still find the magic in the Magic Kingdom. I find that WDW overall is a better destination resort than it was in 1991. In 1991 you could maybe spend 4-5 days there at most. Now I can easily spend 10 days there and still not see everything I wanted to see<< So you choose quantity over quality, yet again, like your average tourist would do at WDW. I prefer the quality, over the quantity, which frankly...has become way too excessive and unnecesary at WDW. >>But don't think for a moment that I have not seen some things take a major slide, because I have. I just choose to overlook them and not spoil my vacation. << That is my issue with most people here... You *choose* to overlook the problem... and as long as you choose to do that, you are indirectly contributing to the decline. I don't think it will diminish your enjoyment of WDW one bit if you did take the time to go into Guest Relations and said... "you know, I really am having a great time here... you folks are the best, but just wanted to share with you a couple of issues that I feel could make for my vacation to be even more "magical" and enjoyable... such as ____ and ____." ^^^That is what I do, then I proceed to sit on the curb on Main Street and enjoy the parade of bad tourist fashions, which is my way of having a magical time at WDW.
