Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Hey VBDad I see walls around the Viking Ship at the Norway in Epcot and felt ill because I could see thru the walls and the ship is gone.I fear another playground...Just for you I am sure> OMG - I sincerely hope you are wrong
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Personally, I'd be happier if they'd just go ahead and admit they are cutting back due to a recession. I think most would be okay with that. I think some (like me) would appreciate their cutting out the bull, and getting right to the point. It's not as if anyone could disagree, right? >>> That's certainly how I feel about it. It's just very insulting to be lied to like that. Do they really expect us to believe that of all the problems guests have with food and beverage service at WDW, that eliminating Prime Rib from the buffets was at the top of the list of guest requests? I also understand that they really can't come out and say "we're eliminating Prime Rib to reduce costs but we're not lowering the price." But they could say nothing at all, or even something neutral like "We change the food items from time to time, including based on market conditions" such that we'd know the reason even if they don't come out and say what it is. But the real problem here isn't that they're feeding us a line of b.s. (not that they aren't). The big problem is that I think this fosters a culture within the company of actually buying into this nonsense. Once mentalities like this get loose within a company, they can do an incredible amount of damage, especially if the internal culture gets to the point where people that don't buy into it are viewed as "not being team players." That is, if it gets to the point where to get along internally, you have to really believe (or at least say and act like you do) that changes like eliminating Prime Rib is being done due to guest request, then all sorts of bad decisions start getting made.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Does anyone know if a kid got hurt climbing on the Viking Ship? There always used to be kids climbing all over it. Then a year or two ago they had it all roped off. Now they appear to be removing it. Lawyers at work?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I see kids climbing on anything and everything there....I would hope one incident would not cause them to do this or else WDW will eventually look like the Salt Flats
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Ugh, just the thought of Pizza Hut makes me a little bit sick to my stomach. Yuck! They'd have to pay me to eat that stuff!>> <<While its hardly gourmet pizza, its better than the stuff they sell at Red Rockets. And a lot cheaper.>> Generally, I don't go for 'chain' pizza, but I've had a taste for Pizza Hut since childhood (especially their pan pizza, which I could really go for now!) But the LBV Pizza Hut (which hosts loads of Disney CMs at lunchtime) offers a fresh never-ending assortment of pizzas, with a few pastas, breadsticks and sauce, salad bar and dessert pizza for $6.59 a person. A GREAT value! And I'd love to tell you how amazing Pizza Hut is in China but I think the nasty old ADMIN would yell, so let's stick to the Pizza Hut nearest the pixie dust!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^ Spirit, you need to have real pizza - then the play doh versions from Pizza Hut et al will no longer tempt your palette...eeeww
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<The Disney brand is percieved as a top value brand but, I worry that with continued cuts in quality over a long period of time that the brand will be tarnished and the percieved value will be lessened.>> I think it already has been greatly tarnished. People notice the WalMarting. Not us fans who argue back and forth about it because we're Disney geeks. But regular Joe and Sarah Sixpacks taking the family on a magical 10-day vacation from say ... Wasilla ... they know when they get into their room and the carpeting is dirty ... they know when the CMs are nasty ... they know when they go to a buffet and for four the price is $150 while the food quality is mediocre at best ... they know. And they'll never show up here on a Disney fan discussion board. they'll just not take a return trip ... And these people don't register on the TDO Power Points, they don't. <<A reputation is easy to get and difficult to repair. Just ask Ford, GM, and chrysler. If they had it to do over again would they maximize profits at the expense of quality?>> Probably. People, especially American execs, are greedy and shortsighted. They don't care that they lost me and my family (and friends if I can help it) for LIFE. They don't realize that I'd spend $40,000 on a Hyundai before I'd spend $20,000 on a Chevy, Dodge or Ford. They -- like Disney execs -- just believe there's an unending supply of new victims out there.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Pizza Hut has gone really down hill. And here in the UK, if you want Deep Pan, it costs $1.50 extra, and for stuffed crust, it runs $3.50 more. Booo
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ Chicago Pizza snob there... I like Chicago Pan pizza at times, but I also like a thinner, lighter crust at times and Pizza Hut makes a darned good one.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip You guys are too fast. Obviously vbdad is the Chicago Pizza snob I was referring to.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<The issue is honestly not prime rib. If you booked a room @ PC and they charged you the same as POR with the explaination that "research showed that folks just didn't like the "bigger/better" rooms" I'm sure you wouldn't turn a blind eye, nor should you. This debate could & most likely will go ad nauseum, the bottom line is as long as folks sit still for being treated like sheep they will continue to get "flocked". >> Ah my dear, but don't you understand that many spirits enjoy getting flocked royally so long as it comes with a healthy dose of pixie dust and a LE pin and lanyard! ;-)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Actually I'm not a huge deep dish fan--- I like the extra crispy wafer thin crust Sicilian style piled high with toppings --from Momand Pop shops for the most part..hundreds ( probably thousands of these inChicago and New York) <a href="http://www.vitoandnick.com/" target="_blank">http://www.vitoandnick.com/</a> <a href="http://www.vitoandnicksii.com/" target="_blank">http://www.vitoandnicksii.com/</a> <a href="http://www.chesdanspizza.com/cheshist.htm" target="_blank">http://www.chesdanspizza.com/c...hist.htm</a>
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<That's certainly how I feel about it. It's just very insulting to be lied to like that. Do they really expect us to believe that of all the problems guests have with food and beverage service at WDW, that eliminating Prime Rib from the buffets was at the top of the list of guest requests? I also understand that they really can't come out and say "we're eliminating Prime Rib to reduce costs but we're not lowering the price." But they could say nothing at all, or even something neutral like "We change the food items from time to time, including based on market conditions" such that we'd know the reason even if they don't come out and say what it is. But the real problem here isn't that they're feeding us a line of b.s. (not that they aren't). The big problem is that I think this fosters a culture within the company of actually buying into this nonsense. Once mentalities like this get loose within a company, they can do an incredible amount of damage, especially if the internal culture gets to the point where people that don't buy into it are viewed as "not being team players." That is, if it gets to the point where to get along internally, you have to really believe (or at least say and act like you do) that changes like eliminating Prime Rib is being done due to guest request, then all sorts of bad decisions start getting made.>> I nominate this for LP.com's Post of the Day (I think you get an inflatable Doobie with LE pin if selected!) ;-)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <you get an inflatable Doobie < didn't know they came that way....I guess Cheech was right
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Disney brand is percieved as a top value brand but, I worry that with continued cuts in quality over a long period of time that the brand will be tarnished and the percieved value will be lessened. A reputation is easy to get and difficult to repair. Just ask Ford, GM, and chrysler. If they had it to do over again would they maximize profits at the expense of quality? << You got right to the heart of the issue CDD.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> The Horseradish sauce is great!! I usually take the well done end piece of meat (very small) & SMOTHER it with the sauce!! << I'm drooling right now thinking about it!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Does anyone know if a kid got hurt climbing on the Viking Ship? There always used to be kids climbing all over it. Then a year or two ago they had it all roped off. Now they appear to be removing it. << I nearly sprained my ankle swinging off of it one time.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> And I'd love to tell you how amazing Pizza Hut is in China but I think the nasty old ADMIN would yell, so let's stick to the Pizza Hut nearest the pixie dust! << Enquiring minds want to know. Maybe the Admin. is in the festive spirit of the holiday season.
