Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things…..Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
Originally Posted By SuperDry Almost certainly a Republican. My first guess was Ronald Reagan, but I was wrong. I won't spoil it for anyone else reading this thread.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Since he doesn't mention Medicare, the most popular, but in some circles the most hated program there is ( it's socialism after all), it's probably before 1965. Goldwater didn't like Medicare, so that points to Ike, or maybe Nixon when he ran in 1960?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip He also warned of the "military industrial complex"... the guy must have been a closet communist! ;-)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Ahhh, Ike then. And the John Birchers (a group the Michele Bachmanns and Alan Wests of today would have fit right in with) DID think he was a commie!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder It was indeed Ike. He's often thought of as a bland, easy to forget president, but he was rather opinionated and surprisingly prescient. But Ike, he wouldn't hesitate to tell you what he thought in no uncertain terms. The "they are stupid" part for example. No wiggle room there.
Originally Posted By 182 Politically, Ike was a classic small-government Republican. He was of the opinion that the federal government had grown too large at the expense of local and state authority since the advent of FDR's New Deal in the 1930's
Originally Posted By fkurucz "Politically, Ike was a classic small-government Republican. He was of the opinion that the federal government had grown too large at the expense of local and state authority since the advent of FDR's New Deal in the 1930's" If that is true, then why did he defend SS and unemployment insurance, unlike today's neocons who want to abolish them? Espousing his views today (including the warning against the military industrial complex) gets you labelled as a "libertard" by the neocon talking heads.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/ike.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/politics.../ike.asp</a> Here's where 182 got his current plagiarism.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Donny, read this so you understand what plagiarism is and that it is illegal. <a href="http://www.englishclub.com/writing/plagiarism.htm" target="_blank">http://www.englishclub.com/wri...rism.htm</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Here's Reagan on Social Security: On April 20, 1983, Reagan signed a bill to preserve Social Security. At that bill signing, the president said words every Republican should heed: >"This bill demonstrates for all time our nation's ironclad commitment to Social Security. It assures the elderly that America will always keep the promises made in troubled times a half a century ago. It assures those who are still working that they, too, have a pact with the future. From this day forward, they have one pledge that they will get their fair share of benefits when they retire." President Reagan had it right: Social Security is here to stay. To be sure, we must reform it, root out the fraud, make it more efficient, and ensure that the program is solvent.< This is from this link: <a href="http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Ronald_Reagan_Social_Security.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ontheissues.org/cel...rity.htm</a> Note that his views evolved over the years to the point where he did what he did in 1983. As the link says, "It's not unreasonable for people who paid into a system for decades to expect to get their money's worth--that's not an "entitlement," that's honoring a deal. We as a society must also make an ironclad commitment to providing a safety net for those who can't make one for themselves."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 From the same link that Donny plagiarized, conveniently left out: "President Eisenhower felt it was time to return to the "middle way" — pruning federal subsidies of industries such as agriculture and power companies, which he believed no longer needed government assistance. At the same time, he wanted to sustain and even increase funding for programs he thought had good track records, and Social Security was paramount among these. " BTW, I'm all for both halves of that equation. No question we sometimes continue to subsidize industries (lookin' at you, Oil) long after they need it, because they generously give to pols of both parties who see that it continues.
Originally Posted By fkurucz "<a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics.../ike.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/politics.../ike.asp</a> Here's where 182 got his current plagiarism." Donny (182), don't you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I could immediately tell it was plagiarized because it wasn't in his usual posting style...it was a little too well written...
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I've got one: Who called the individual mandate "the ultimate conservative idea" because it made people responsible for the cost of their health care and ended the free ride?
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I sincerely hope this stuff comes back and is used against him. It's very awkward for a candidate to argue against themselves. Especially for Mitt Romney who has said diametrically opposed things over the years...
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Oh, and some Reagan quotes as campaign ads would be a good idea too...for Obama.
