Originally Posted By Manfried This article (<a href="http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2008/05/05/monday-mouse-watch-wdi-complains-about-all-those-complainers.aspx" target="_blank">http://jimhillmedia.com/editor...ers.aspx</a>) on Jim Hill Media talks about how WDI is tired of the fanbois and those folks who "love" the parks too much. Its something I warned the company of while there, and still feel strongly about. I think you can love something to death and I think APers in Florida and especially in California are loving the parks to death.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Funny Manfried, it is the opposite of how Walt used to think. At least from reading accounts, if people started taking short cuts in the parks, he would build a new path. I think Disney should listen to the fans, I mean, that is why Disneyland is in so much better shape than the MK isn't it. Joe schmo tourist will accept pretty much anything given to them at the time, but will they return or recommend things like MILF or Toy Story Playland to their friends? I doubt it. Maybe fans complain because the batting average especially in the last 10 years has not been great. In every business we worked in, if we did not listen to our customers and our super users, we would have been dead. Disney could learn a lesson. Also, if you are not interested in fan views, why do you post on LP? Just curious. Now if we talked about how the AP programme clogs up the parks, or creates perverse behaviours and utilisation trends, then I would recognise the validity.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 I am curious why the OP is referencing an article from almost two and a half years ago as if it were new? Or is this some kind of an ironic joke aimed at JH who refers to last Tuesday as "Do you remember WAY BACK last Tuesday when xxxxx happened?" Weird.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ It's because we asked him in another thread. And honestly, I don't see the answer here. The issue isn't WDI. We all know that WDI could and would create unique, quality attractions if management would allow them to step away from constant synergy, and give them a reasonable budget. The issue I was referring to in another post was the fact that AP high parks, like DL receive more upkeep and maint. in the parks, ride refurbs (as management isn't scared to close Space Mountain for first time family from WI) and constantly updated with new entertainment and events. How is THAT bad, when the APers are calling for it?
Originally Posted By MPierce If you love someone, let them go. If they don't come back, hunt them down, and kill them!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> In every business we worked in, if we did not listen to our customers and our super users, we would have been dead. << Truer words of wisdom have never been spoken.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Obvious troll is obvious. << I disagree Skipper. Just a person with an opposing view.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Usually I'd agree with you, Pierce. But this guy is always posting the same kind of things in threads.
Originally Posted By MPierce He's been posting for a while now, and he has a different perspective on things than us in this area. It possibly could have something to do with his job, maybe.
Originally Posted By Manfried davewasbaloo says: "Now if we talked about how the AP programme clogs up the parks, or creates perverse behaviours and utilisation trends, then I would recognise the validity." I think that is the issue I am looking to discuss.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I'm an AP but live 1200 miles away - go usually just once per year - sometimes 2 trips....plenty of other AP's not local..might want to consider that also. Also business model of getting $$ up front...and Florida populaion not going to rival Cali anytime soon --and 4 (+2 WP ) gates vs 2 gates in DL...really this argument has little common ground as a DL and WDW argument...might want to consider them separately
Originally Posted By MousDad I have a hard time looking at Disneyland and even comprehending how APers could be interpreted as bad for Disney Parks.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>davewasbaloo says: "Now if we talked about how the AP programme clogs up the parks, or creates perverse behaviours and utilisation trends, then I would recognise the validity." I think that is the issue I am looking to discuss<<< But in the facts that it creates a atmosphere for better quality in upkeep, entertainment, and refurbishments, isn't, would you agree?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> But in the facts that it creates a atmosphere for better quality in upkeep, entertainment, and refurbishments, isn't, would you agree? << To me that would be the best benefit of WDW having a strong AP base. That's why I hope all the DVCers get together at sometime in the future. They would be a powerful force in holding Mickey accountable for the entire Resort area, and I'm sure most of them are AP holders. That's WDW's bread, and butter, and they need to keep them happy.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I do not think most DVC are AP's. I am but I'm crazy..living 1200 miles away. When they list the most popular states for DVC ownership - right up there are Illinois- Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut etc.. --and many DVC owners in the UK.. likely why it will be harder to form a cohesive bond to try and facilitate change...but I have to admit there have been as many adds as take aways in my 16 years of membership..seemingly looking to keep us happy. $100-$125 off an AP- surely nice... things like adding a slide to OKW pool years after the facility was sold out also very nice.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I do not think most DVC are AP's. << I would be really surprised at that. I would think that most come down for multiple trips are a very long stay, where getting an AP would more than pay for itself. I was thinking along the lines like people that travel around in RV's they keep bumping into each other all the time, and strike up life long friendships. Don't you ever run into the same people on trips VBDAD? I know WDW is a big place, and it's by luck running into someone. However at the resort it is a different story. Maybe DVCers need their own special forum where they can communicate with one another?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> To me that would be the best benefit of WDW having a strong AP base. That's why I hope all the DVCers get together at sometime in the future.<<< They might be too far away to really "notice" these things, but hey, you have a point. Maybe in the future...
Originally Posted By danyoung Reading that article just reiterated why I stopped reading JH in the first place. Everyone he quotes somehow magically writes with the exact same idioms and quirks that JH writes with. Which makes me doubt the validity of any of it. Anyhoo . . .
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 ^ I hear ya. It always makes me laugh when reading his "Why For?"(and it wouldn't be a JH column without a wacky, down home title, would it?)article and he has SUDDENLY received an email from a questioning reader asking about some relevant news article that JH just SUDDENLY wants to discuss that week. To cap it off, it's ALWAYS written something like, "Jim, I was talking with some friends around the water cooler the other day about Disney's capex in relation to their prominent growth strategies in the retail field of commercial synergy and we were arguing whether corporate branding has adversely affected quarterly sales in the P&P lines along key demographics...." Yeah because I know ALL Disney fans talk about the company that way. For God's sake, it's like Leemac is JH's only friend writing to him. The only reason I EVER check back there is that hopefully he has more "old attractions" articles. Those were his best but in the meantime I try to ignore the "down home" annoying touches and obvious self-written letters.
