Why TSM is DANGEROUS...

Originally Posted By HMButler79

This is the pinnacle, the entire culmination of the Fitzgerald,Pressler,Rasulo way of Imagineering. This is a wet dream. A ride through attraction that relies COMPLETLY on ONE gimmick. TV Screens. There are NO Sets, NO AAs, NO FX, not well, NOTHING. This is what Fitz and Pressler wanted back in the 90s. This attraction could set a dangerous precedent.

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

Um, dangerous?

It's an amusement park ride, right?

 

Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA

Okay, X...

The point is that staring a large TV screens is a much different experience than looking at 3-D AA figures, and immersive environments.

That said, I saw a YouTube ride-through of the new 'Simpsons' simulator ride at Universal Studios -- bleccch!

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

The word dangerous here isn't meant as danger = causing harm to people.

But dangerous in the realm of quality theme pare rides, That it's a slippery slope in setting a bad precedent.

Mr X what were you really trying to say in post 2?

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

Well I guess I was saying that we should stop with the silly hyperbole...obviously the company is fed up enough with internet whackado's claiming the sky is falling whenever they come up with a sub-par amusement park ride.

As to the argument, I don't see such a precedent here. They've already made plenty of crappy rides, heck even crappy parks. How is this any different?

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

May I assume the OP has been through this attraction?

The assertion, "There are NO Sets, NO AAs, NO FX, not well, NOTHING." is false, based on all available information.

No sets? This shows a lack of understanding of what constitutes a set. The queue area, which has been seen, is very well themed, and includes set elements. The interior, as I understand, includes sets that are used as transitions and to frame the projection screens. These are not three dimensional sets, but then, neither are the sets in many other attractions. The original Fantasyland dark rides that were enjoyed by millions from 1955 until the makeover in 1983 were largely flat painted sets.

No AAs? Based on what we have heard, none inside the attraction. There is an AA of Mr. Potato Head outside the attraction. This is a very large, very sophisticated figure that will interact with guests standing in line, or strolling the boardwalk. That aside, AA figures do NOT define classic Disney theme park attractions. There were no AAs until 1963. Since then, not every great attraction has included AAs.

No FX? This is the really wrong headed contention. The entire attraction is an FX. It is not just a "TV screen" that people ride past. It is a series of very large projections, featuring state of the art computer animated figures, that guests interact with in a way that is both technically sophisticated and story driven.

It is anyone's privilege to dislike TSMM. But base that on something realistic, rather than a deceptive description that is not based on what we all know.

 

Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA

^^^Thanks for the recap.

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

To play devils advocate here, isn't Spiderman over at Universal essentially just movie screens?

Granted there are a couple of effects here and there, but overall the thing is pretty much just a mobile 3-D movie experience with in-seat effects right?

Which, aside from the mobile part, would be pretty much the same as all the other 3-D stuff at Disney like Honey, Muppets, Philharmagic, Bugs, etc...

I guess it's all in the presentation, huh?

 

Originally Posted By k_peek_2000

"To play devils advocate here, isn't Spiderman over at Universal essentially just movie screens?"

Not at all. Yes there are screens, but the ride goes through fully functional sets and it is very immersive, its not just screen after screen, you have some very impressive special effects, also you have a ride system similar to Indiana Jones's, its an amazing ride.

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

I agree that it's an amazing ride. That's the whole point.

When you really break it down, there's isn't as much to it as you might think.

I know there's more to it than what I wrote, that was sort of the point.

You could also dissect Indy and find there really isn't all that much to the ride but it's greater than the sum of its' parts.

 

Originally Posted By HMButler79

""The queue area, which has been seen, is very well themed, and includes set elements.""

I had no idea the ride vehicles rode though the queue. Wow.
Strike One.

""The original Fantasyland dark rides that were enjoyed by millions from 1955 until the makeover in 1983 were largely flat painted sets.""

Made by REAL artists. which completly immersed you due to the fact that they were so close together.

Strike Two

"There is an AA of Mr. Potato Head outside the attraction."

Keyword:OUTSIDE

Strike Three

""The entire attraction is an FX""

Which is what we have a problem with. The enitre attraction relies on ONE gimmick ONLY.

 

Originally Posted By lesmisfan

actually the sets of midway mania was painted by "REAL" artists and brought into the attraction.

 

Originally Posted By jdub

Uhhhm... what ride are we talking about, here?

 

Originally Posted By leemac

<<Which is what we have a problem with. >>

Not we. You. Keep it singular.

 

Originally Posted By jdub

The...Small...World? ¿Qué?

 

Originally Posted By Skippy

The video quality is not the greatest, but here's a video of the WDW version:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ZCrf6m9OU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Crf6m9OU</a>

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

Lee, you like this ride?

I have to say, that video is less than impressive!

 

Originally Posted By leemac

^^ How can you assess a 4-D attraction through a video??!?! It is like saying that you can tell exactly what It's Tough To Be A Bug and Mickey's PhilharMagic is like through a small YouTube video. It is impossible to convey how much fun this attraction actually is in the field.

I'm not a gamer at all but loved the gameplay. It is fun and addictive. You don't even need to play the game to enjoy it as the graphic are fun.

It is always about getting the right mix of attractions at a park - DHS doesn't have a dark ride-type experience. This is a great addition to the park.

 

Originally Posted By plpeters70

"DHS doesn't have a dark ride-type experience"

Well, it does have the Great Movie Ride -- which isn't exactly so "Great" anymore. But I agree, DHS could really use some more dark rides.

 

Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt

Methinks that there is a troll among us.