Originally Posted By Moon Waffle Seems to me that with Nemo, the ride count in TL is basically back to what it was several years ago. Of course, this is trading off the Buzz ride for the Peoplemover/Rocket Rods ride. So, is Tomorrowland "whole" again once Nemo opens, or is more needed? Or will it ever be up to par with years gone by? It seems that Buzz, Nemo, Autopia, and HITSA are all noticeable improvements over what existed in their space before/previous incarnations. So basically the net effect is moving the Rocket Jets to a new (perhaps worse) location and nothing on the Peoplemover track. Thoughts?
Originally Posted By Gonzo Perhaps if Mission Space can be placed in the Innoventions building and a replacement film to HISA and Star Tours. One could say that
Originally Posted By oc_dean No, it's not whole. Because Buzz replaces Circle-Vision. Peoplemover/RocketRods remains a "hole" in Tomorrowland ..... Nothing replaced the loss of the Skyway ... and THREE, Redd Rocket's Pizza Port brought another net los of attractions but replacing an attraction with a restaurant. I'm not expecting anything to ever replace the Skyway ...... But the next logical *addition* will be a Peoplemover type of attraction ... and if Redd Rockets can be moved somewhere else, then I would be ECSTATIC if that facility could return to being an ATTRACTION.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The best years Tomorrowland ever had in net number of attractions came in 1986 with the addition of the Kodak:Magic Eye Theater/Captain EO. Tomorrowland held 13 attractions for only 2 years. 1988, America Sings closed .. and it was downhill from there. 1986-1987: 1. American Journeys/Circle-Vision 2. Star Tours 3. Starcade 4. Peoplemover 5. Rocket Jets 6. America Sings 7. Mission To Mars 8. Captain EO 9. Skyway 10. Autopia 11. Monorail 12. Submarine Voyage 13. Space Mountain And when the do get to a new ride up on the Peoplemover track ... it will bring it up to 11 attractions .. which will probably be the most Disney is ever going to do.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm all for replacing innoventions, but I'm not sure M:S would be a good choice. I haven't been on it yet, but the reports I hear from many people is that they never want to go on it again. It made them feel ill, it was claustrophic, and it wasn't particularly "fun". It's an ambitious and expensive attraction to install, and given DLRs repeat customer base, it's entirely possible that it wouldn't have a good repeatability factor among a large percentage of the guests. And I don't understand the point of a 'mild' version without the spinning - you could sit in a closet and get the same effect. I'd like to see that facility be repurposed to operate the way it was designed - a huge capacity multi-scene show with AAs. Preferably music-based for repeatability, and hopefully the ability to update the show frequently. After all - it IS tomorrowland.
Originally Posted By bean "Perhaps if Mission Space can be placed in the Innoventions building and a replacement film to HISA and Star Tours. One could say that" Interesting you said this. Disney's plan was for Mission space to be the next franchise "e" ticket. The next proposed resort was Disneyland. It was going to go in the innovention building. Due to the problems they encountered while building the attraction with its huge balooning budget and then legal issues with the company that helped with the ride mechanism the project for disneyland started to fade. It still was not dead though. They felt that if the attractions budget could be kept under control now that most R and D was done and that the legal issues with the ride mechanism manufacturer (they claimed it was their own design and could sell the rights to other amusement parks, Disney contradicted that showing proof it was their initial design and concept and that the outside company was paid to help design it) would be taken care of. then it happened. They had several bad publicity problems due to the intense situation of the attraction and the idea basically died for now.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Well .... Alien Encounter was also suppose to go into Tomorrowland .... and look where that attraction ended up in. Ford was suppose to have something next to Adventure Thru Inner Space ......... Adventures in Science in 1958 ......... the list goes on......... Point is ..... Some ideas don't pan out on the drawing board...... and wherever it did turn up in the Global Disney theme park market first ... does not mean it's going to be a qualified hit. Gadzuux makes the point I beleive counts .... And that is too many people have gotten more sick on this (or worse!) than any other Disney theme park attraction in history! How does one get around that basic fact???? That fact alone will SEAL THE FATE of an attraction ... PERMANENTLY. And my gripe is it is not a family attraction. Nor is it (apparrently) repeatable. So there's THREE big reasons that it should never show up in Disneyland.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster So does anyone have a good idea for a "family" attraction that could inhabit the Innoventions building? No, Plectu's does not count. I think the upper level should be a high class revolving restaurant (with a bar) and the lower level should become a much better and much more compact Innoventions.
Originally Posted By u k fan I rode Mission: Space in December and loved it. I can't wait for another go!!!
Originally Posted By tonyanton re: post #8...your idea of a restaurant is very cool. Maybe then they could re-purpose "Redd Rockets" back to attraction space.
Originally Posted By ssturgeo I would very much like to see Innoventions replaced. While some of it is interesting, I think people sitting around on computers playing games, etc. (even if they are "different"), when at DISNEYLAND a sad commentary on our times. Call me old fashioned...get outside, ride the rides, soak up the atmosphere, eat a Dole Whip!!
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "So does anyone have a good idea for a "family" attraction that could inhabit the Innoventions building?" How about that Monster's themed comedy club from the Magic Kingdom?. LOL.
Originally Posted By u k fan Is there any likelyhood that "Meet The Robinsons" might one day end up in Tomorrowland or should we really be limiting ourselves to Pixar movies as attractions since that's what Disney seem to be doing at the moment?!!!
Originally Posted By netenyahoo To be truly whole again I feel these are needed: 1. A new film to replace HISTA. 2. Something on the Peoplmover tracks 3. Some kind of replacement ride or new destination for Star Tours 4. Something done with Innoventions to either replace it or bring more exciting things.
Originally Posted By Moon Waffle Interesting comments... Perhaps my initial post was a bit misleading...I'm not so concerned about the # of attractions, but more so with whether the land feels "complete" again. I personally hated Mission to Mars and Circlevision, so I don't consider those loses. I can hardly remember America Sings, but Innoventions is definitely a snoozer. My thoughts are that, once Nemo opens, all you've got to do is throw something up on the Peoplemover tracks, and TL is complete once again. Though I certainly wouldn't complain if they find ways to squeeze even more new attractions in...
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt “I personally hated Mission to Mars and Circlevision, so I don't consider those loses. I can hardly remember America Sings, but Innoventions is definitely a snoozer.†Circlevision had its day. I can't believe that Disney still has TWO Circlevision shows at EPCOT. America Sings was cute, kind of a patriotic version of the Country Bear Jamboree. With that said, it was a little too cute for Tomorrowland if you ask me. Innoventions is a good idea, but I hate the way the attraction works; I always feel trapped when I'm in there. I wish you could just come and bypass the welcome spiel at the beginning. That whole introduction set up feels forced and overly contrived.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Also, it's a letdown once they let you go (Innoventions). Last time I went with some friends who had never been inside and I warned them how boring it could be. Well, they insisted on going so we did...they came out wishing they had listened to me. I think Innoventions at EPCOT is good, because it tries to be educational and also showcases some futuristic ideas/products. At Disneyland, once you get past the host/hostess, it's just computer games you can play at home. There was nothing to inspire or show off any truly new technology. I guess the closest Disneyland got was the Asimo robot. Also, as for the topic. Once the subs open, I still won't feel that Tomorrowland is "complete". It needs a few more things for me to feel that way.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss IMO, the problem with Tomorrowland isn't the number of attractions, it's the vision... or lack of it. But Disney has known about that problem for a long time. Too bad no one there has the guts to show us a fantastic vision of the future, even if it's wrong.
Originally Posted By dresswhites with the opening of the subs, tomorrowland won't be complete. the empty people over/rods track is a real eyesore. since the track spans the whole land, it is even more glaringly obvious that it is an empty track. Starcade is another embarrasment in the land. the second floor is closed and the first floor is very dingy and dated.
Originally Posted By lovethenow how about a ride based on the incredibles! I don't think anyone's mentioned that yet. and I personally LOVE redd rockets, everytime I go there, it's kind of a tradition to eat there. I get hungry just thinking about it, YUM! and I rode mission space as well, and I wasn't that impressed.
