Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad That's why we primarily only use Morning extra magic hours. The late night ones are just too crowded and we are ready for sleep by the time the crowds start to decrease. At least with early morning hours it requires a little effort so not everyone is there at open. We get much more done during this time so that we have basically riden everything by 11 oclock and the rest of the day is a relaxed tour and exploration.
Originally Posted By sjhym33 The early Magic Hours are better. People seem more calm because the coffee hasnt kicked in yet I guess. When a guest got frustrated with Extra Magic Hour crowds I remind them about the number of hotel rooms at WDW and if you assume an average of 2 guests per room you can see home many potential guests there are who have access to this perk.
Originally Posted By LadyandtheTramp >>My question to you is at what point do they stop? As long as someone walks up and wants to get in, do you let them? Isn't there a cutoff point someplace? << Yes, there is a cutoff point - 5:00 pm. Not 4:54 pm. If you're going to stop people before the time set for closing based on how long you "think" they might stay, how long do you estimate? How about stopping admissions at 4:30, because some people walk slow? How about stopping at 4:00, because some people linger too long? The only fair and proper time is when you sia it would close - 5:00 pm. Get there before then, and get in. Get there after then, too bad. That's the only appropriate time.
Originally Posted By Marty2111 The "me too" guest is always going to be there, regardless of whether you actually begin turning away guests 6 minutes early or right on time. You don't solve that particular problem by locking the door any earlier. Plus, if a cast member were to admit a guest to the pavilion before closing time, I don't see at all how that would be considered making an exception. It's really all about expectations -- I see a 5 o'clock close as meaning the door will remain open until 5 o'clock. I also would expect cast members to use that as the time to close the doors and start clearing the building at a reasonable pace. That would have satisfied the OP, and it would have been a reasonable stance to defend against all those "me too" folks.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I guess this whole thing boils down to what time it actually was. 4:54? 4:58? Does everyone on the planet carry around the same watch? I work in public transit. In spite of GPS or what have you, I have yet to find more than 3 people that have the same time. Besides...The F&W usage for that building is hardly what I would consider an attraction. It reminds me more of a Costco "sample" set up. They could have had a number of reasons for stopping admission 6 minutes early (IF they really did). At any rate on a priority list of 1 to 10 (10 being the lowest) this whole situation would have to be a 15! And yet look at all the "air" time we have given it.
Originally Posted By cassiedoodle *Sigh* Never did I think I'd feel attacked on a Disney World forum. Go reread my first post. I couldn't care less about the snotty cast member, I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF ANYONE HAS PICTURES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, lol!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> My question to you is at what point do they stop? << At 5 when it was scheduled to close. >> Disney's policy has always been that you can enter a line up until the closing time and you get to ride. << Would that also include entering a pavilion?
Originally Posted By sjhym33 Not necessarily. Disney can and does limit access to buildings as they see fit. My guess is in the case of the Flower and Garden Festival, Disney knew that at 5 mins or less before the building closes there was nothing a guest could do inside in that amount of time. Since there was no rides involved and it is a special event facility they could close the doors early to expedite closing of the area.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Ok, we're going to Stonehenge, USA, the place closes at 5PM, it states "no admittance after 4PM." Maybe Disney should post that type statement on some of their attractions. End of problem.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 It's America's answer to the real place. It's in New Hampshire. Nice place, low key, but yes they have a gift shop. Happy Haunt's youngest will go nuts when she sees all the rocks.
Originally Posted By MPierce I think I saw a program on that on the History Channel. Is that the one where they have all these dry stacked stones that supposedly go back thousands of years?
Originally Posted By sjhym33 It's not like they closed the doors 30 mins or 15 mins before the posted time. I think that 5 mins before an area closes is not unreasonable considering there are no rides per se and really nothing a guest could do in the 5 minutes remaining. And Disney does in fact post signs on places whose closing times are different than park hours. I was just at Innoventions last week and noticed the 7pm closing signs on the doors.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 #32 that's it. You can walk in the caves. I was there about 8-10 years ago, it's interesting, especially if you're into the ancients and interpreting the line-up of the stars and stuff I know nothing about. It's not a thrill ride.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I went there when I was nine ... still have pictures ... I had a great sandwich at a picnic on the way.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>*Sigh* Never did I think I'd feel attacked on a Disney World forum. Go reread my first post. I couldn't care less about the snotty cast member, I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF ANYONE HAS PICTURES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, lol!<<< I realize I might have overreacted to this thread but the idea of attempting to get in so late or even wanting to see the inside and get pictures is not what was making me crazy. What bothered me was the idea that you felt so justified and even gleeful about turning in the CM for not allowing you to get in. That, in my humble opinion, isn't justifiable, it is just plain mean and self involved. Disney World or the world in general is not obligated to function around your schedule. If you indeed did show up 6 minutes before closing the question would be why? It was open all day and now that they are closing up, you have this need to get in there right now. They need to close up, clean up and get home to their families. Your wandering around taking pictures, well past closing deprives them of their needs. Closing means closing...that means no one should be in there after that time. It's closed. Closed means...no longer open to the public. So sorry, if you feel put upon and deprived of your birth rite but, I don't agree and I really get upset with people that are so willing to get another human being in trouble because of something so minor. And then seem happy about it. Sigh!!! This will be my last post on this subject because it is taking over my normally jovial being and bringing out the protective parent in me. Sorry!
Originally Posted By Marty2111 I agree ... at least that we've kicked this around enough. So my final observation is that cassiedoodle was just trying to get a peek inside. She wasn't trying to get an after hours, personal self-guided tour. Isn't a quick peek to satify curiousity perfectly acceptable, if that's all a guest wants to do? A quick peek may taken only 3 minutes, and she still could still have been out of there before closing time, not keeping the cast members from their families any longer than the ones already inside (who didn't flee the building at the top of the hour). And if it was so important to shutter the doors, turn off the lights and get cast members home to their families at the stroke of 5 o'clock ... it's on Disney to make that clear in one of the ways discussed already. That seems more reasonble to me than what actually happened here.
Originally Posted By MPierce We can certainly kick this around all day, and night long. The fact remains that a 5 o'clock closing should be just that.
Originally Posted By Socrates So who can give cassiedoodle pictures of the inside? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
