XPass disaster IS comming...

Originally Posted By HMButler79

Looks like you will NOT be able to ride any Disney attraction or eat anywhere ever again unless you book an entire Disney vacation 6mos in advance. This is beyond.....

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Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

This is something I could see failing. Miserably. But it still worries me. Goodness knows people loooove to plan out things that don't need planning and instead need relaxation and impassivity.

 

Originally Posted By DDMAN26

Well let's wait and see what happens before declaring doom and gloom.

 

Originally Posted By dshyates

Is just me, but do you guys get that creepy chill up your spine everytime you read how NextGen will control every aspect of your vacation? And I am wondering, as an Orlando local, how this will effect me?

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

^ Agreed. I'm in Miami, and go up a few times each year... I don't need to plan my trip obsessively..

 

Originally Posted By Witches of Morva

ORGOCH: Sounds like they all wants folks ta be like robots after they start up with that nasty plan. Got Stepford Wives???

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

>>...you will NOT be able to ride any Disney attraction or eat anywhere ever again...<<

Hyperbole much? Oh, yes.

According to the article, which is still speculation, only people who book through Disney will need the XPass. Whether this is six months in advance or not is not a given.

I have friends who plan every detail over a year in advance. They take obsessive joy in knowing that on Tuesday they will have breakfast at the Crystal Palace at 8:15, experience attractions until 11:15, go to lunch at Hollywood and Dine at 12:40and will be attending the first showing of Fantasmic! that night.

For a WDW vacation I prefer an outline, and do make a certain number of reservations in advance. (As in, a restaurant in Epcot on the day we go there, and one in a hotel or Downtown Disney on the evening of the day we go to DAK.)

Others prefer to just pop in and go wherever the day leads them.

I see no reason why NextGen or XPass, as we currently understand them, should completely eliminate any of these options.

 

Originally Posted By HMButler79

Umn no. The article says FP and attractions that even dont have FP will now be replaced w/ XPass. Therin, only being able to get a pass if you book through Disney vacations. Maybe this is a way to get rid of the APs once and for all? I mean, who ELSE would you wanna PO with this decision??

 

Originally Posted By hopemax

Since individual ride capacity isn't increasing, any slots that are pre-booked will have significant effect on the availability for anyone else to ride.

So take something like RnRC, I think it's OHRC is like 1800/hr. So in a 10 hour day that's 18,000 "slots." That's really not a lot considering how many rooms are on WDW property, 2 or 3 people in a room. Will they get to schedule multiple rides? If they hold slots for "walk ups" what would the lines be for that?

Even for guests who will be able to participate in it, I think will find the ability to book things when it is convenient, difficult. If you give people the idea that they can, say, book Splash for 2PM in the middle of July, many more people will attempt to do so than would currently walk over to Splash at 2PM and attempt to ride. Not everyone who will want a 2PM slot will be able to get one. So people will get pushed into inconvenient times, and conflicting times. Do you schedule a sit down dinner, but it's the only time you can ride Soarin? But trying to ride without a booking would be even worse.

It might be another story if there were only 3 hotels on property, or if the fee to participate was extremely high that the number of participants were so small as to not snatch too much capacity. But you don't spend a billion dollars for something that would be utilized for so few people.

And yes, great fears about the impact this will have on anyone not staying at a Disney resort. How can you give priority access to people staying in one of the 30,000 rooms on property, and still have adequate capacity to serve anyone else without forcing them to endure significant waits or high additional costs (assuming non-guests can "buy in")?

 

Originally Posted By leobloom

Not that it's going to eliminate any of the options --

But if XPass becomes FP that's available only for the thousands that are booking their vacations through Disney, and I'm a Floridian/local who doesn't do that -- if that means my wait times are going to be a lot longer then I'll not be returning to the parks even once in a blue moon.

I could see the attractions part of this plan being a huge misfire for people that don't have the perks of XPass. Just imagine if you were relegated to the stand-by line (and denied access to FPs) and other people were automagically relegated to the FP line as soon as you walked into the park.

Great use of $100,000,000,000,000,000, Disney.

 

Originally Posted By leobloom

>> Since individual ride capacity isn't increasing, any slots that are pre-booked will have significant effect on the availability for anyone else to ride.

So take something like RnRC, I think it's OHRC is like 1800/hr. So in a 10 hour day that's 18,000 "slots." That's really not a lot considering how many rooms are on WDW property, 2 or 3 people in a room. Will they get to schedule multiple rides? If they hold slots for "walk ups" what would the lines be for that?

Even for guests who will be able to participate in it, I think will find the ability to book things when it is convenient, difficult. If you give people the idea that they can, say, book Splash for 2PM in the middle of July, many more people will attempt to do so than would currently walk over to Splash at 2PM and attempt to ride. Not everyone who will want a 2PM slot will be able to get one. So people will get pushed into inconvenient times, and conflicting times. Do you schedule a sit down dinner, but it's the only time you can ride Soarin? But trying to ride without a booking would be even worse. <<

That's precisely my concern, too, hopemax.

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

"Is just me, but do you guys get that creepy chill up your spine everytime you read how NextGen will control every aspect of your vacation?"

Hasn't Disney been purposely directing visitors at its parks since their inception? The parks are programmed to tell you where to walk, what to buy, where to look, all the while manipulating emotions with fake Disney "magic". How is this new program (assuming its imminent arrival is true) any different? Opinions may vary on whether or not it's necessary, but it certainly isn't any creepier to me than the control Disney wields over guests at its park right now.

 

Originally Posted By dshyates

I live just up the road and have an AP, my 2 daughters just moved in with me and I am planning on also getting them APs. If this NextGen thing effects attractions like I think it will based on my experience with walk up dining vs 180 day out ressies. I will not be renewing our passes.

 

Originally Posted By leobloom

Hans, you don't see a difference between wandering the parks, experiencing attractions autonomously, and following a plan that Disney has scheduled for you that tells you to ride Space Mountain at 11:45 A.M.?

It may simply be a difference in degree, but it's a difference -- and from the sound of things, it may be a difference that affects even those who aren't scheduling all their ride times.

 

Originally Posted By hopemax

Wait! Dave, are your girls with you permanently or just for the summer? If its permanent, how did you get them out of WV?

Sorry for the hijack, I just remember all the WE posts about your frustration of the environment they were growing up in, so I'm curious.

 

Originally Posted By Manfried

Ah, pity the poor APers who want the parks to themselves.

 

Originally Posted By leobloom

Once again, Manny, you miss the point. You do a good job with that.

 

Originally Posted By dshyates

"Wait! Dave, are your girls with you permanently or just for the summer? If its permanent, how did you get them out of WV?

Sorry for the hijack, I just remember all the WE posts about your frustration of the environment they were growing up in, so I'm curious."

Well thier mother has hook up with this white trash pillbilly that has brought domestic violence, IV drug use, and thievery into the picture. I filed an emergency domestic violence petition on my girls behalf and have been given temporary custody. The final custody hearing is Mon. July 18th. My Ex doesn't have a lawyer and isn't fighting it. She really is at Rock bottom. It really is very sad. She and her new man have pawned or taken to the consignment shop all the girls stuff like the coach sunglasses that I bought my oldest for her birthday. Their Disney Dooney and Burke purses. Their Wii, their laptops, etc. I am pretty frustrated with her at the moment. I have spent 6 thousand dollars, driven 6 thousand miles, and used every available personal, vacation, and sick day I had for the year.

 

Originally Posted By wahooskipper

I don't have an annual pass but I'm a Florida resident who would typically go to the parks 2-3 times per year. If they undertake policies that will make my wait times excruciating then I can very simply say I will not be visiting the parks that often...if at all.

Universal is looking better all the time.

 

Originally Posted By dshyates

"Ah, pity the poor APers who want the parks to themselves."

Yep, that is exactly what I said. Your powers of perception are amazing. Let me guess, when you visit WDW, you are a resort guest? So this plays in your favor, correct? And if it plays in someone's favor, thusly others it does not. Well, local AP holders fall into the does not category. And we should be thrilled with that?

But guess is, that you Manfried are just an old contrarian.