Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Yahoos in the parks -- Living Seas I can't get over how some guests can be yahoos in the parks. Back during the Epcot Flower festival I watched as some people would trudge through and step on the flowers so they could stand next to the Snow White topiary so some other yahoo could "take a picture of me standing next to it." Worse yet, some parents would encourage their kids to go out there while they watched. Well yesterday I watched this same herd mentality at work at the Living Seas. People were climbing up on the rocks at the Nemo fish display, and even going as far as to step over the footlights to lean on the fish so they could "get a picture of me standing next to the fish." I watched as two little kids actually stood on top of the squid, balancing so they could get their picture. I asked them to "please get down -- it's for your safety." One of them actually came back with "Hey -- it's okay -- I'm doing this so I can get a better picture" as mom stood nearby and said nothing. Maybe she reported me to Guest Relations.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Worse yet -- the CM who was standing nearby wasn't doing much to try to control the situation. To be fair, this CM is the only person there, and is supposed to be dealing with Living Seas/Coral Reef traffic. But it would drive me nuts to be this person all day long, and have to watch the yahoos do their thing.
Originally Posted By Disneymom443 It amazes me that they are so many pople out there that don't have any respect for anything. I just want to walk up to them and say,"Hay if this was your place would you want someone walking or standing all over your hard work or standing on your things?" They just may look at me dumbfounded.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Hay if this was your place would you want someone walking or standing all over your hard work or standing on your things?"< the problem with these aptly named 'yahoo's) is the answer is yes - they are likely pigs everywhere.....you see this behavior everywhere now -- not just at WDW....makes you just want to slap 'em
Originally Posted By ChiMike Society is getting worse when it comes to polite behavior. Parents are getting worse when it comes to children's polite behavior. We're going to see more of this. I applaud you ssWEDguy, I just wish Disney would back-up their front-line CMs more when it comes to enforcing the rules.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN If you think this problem is bad at WDW... then try DLP! But I agree with you ssWEDguy. People have this sense of entitlement that is just WRONG! Sadly I see a bit of that already happening at TDR as well..but at leats there, when a CM sees a person "in violation" of a safety rule or concern, they are told to stop. Here? Nope. If it makes you feel better SS... I have the same problem at work since there are so many "yahoos" as you put it, that take their safety for granted and do not care to even give me a second of their time except when they need a drink.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA If you work at Yahoo! -- and your kid misbehaves at a corporate picnic, would they call your kid a Yahoo? Things like this cause me pause.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> If you work at Yahoo! -- and your kid misbehaves at a corporate picnic, would they call your kid a Yahoo? << No I wouldn't. But I would use that term for their parents. Kids don't know better. The parents do/should.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Worse yet -- the CM who was standing nearby wasn't doing much to try to control the situation. To be fair, this CM is the only person there, and is supposed to be dealing with Living Seas/Coral Reef traffic. But it would drive me nuts to be this person all day long, and have to watch the yahoos do their thing.>> UGH. If WDW is going to chronically understaff this area, and if this guest behavior is a recurrent event, at least WDW should give the LS/CR Cast Member a radio so that (s)he could get ahold of a supervisor or security person when (s)he witnesses this yahoo behavior.
Originally Posted By Disneybrad "the CM who was standing nearby wasn't doing much to try to control the situation. To be fair, this CM is the only person there, and is supposed to be dealing with Living Seas/Coral Reef traffic." We have pretty much given up trying to keep people down off the rocks. As popular as the Seas is now, we spend all our time at greater trying to stop stollers and food. Landscaping even tried to help keeping peopel out, they started adding cactus and other Pointy sharp plants. That didnt do anythign to stop them. One time I had school group there, with the teacher takign the kids picture, when i asked them to Get down the TEACHER, told me Rules were made to be broken. I then asked her what school she taught at, so i could let the parents know what Kind of example their teacher were. They have Since taken many of the pants out of the planter and repalced it with Snad and crushed shells, sicne they were replacving it 2 or 3 times a week.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA If you work at Yahoo! -- and you get drunk and make a fool of yourself at a company picnic, would they call YOU a Yahoo? Just curious. And if you worked at Motley Fool, and got drunk at a company picnic, would they call you a Yahoo or a Fool? See whudumsayin'?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <If you work at Yahoo! -- and your kid misbehaves at a corporate picnic, would they call your kid a Yahoo? Things like this cause me pause< Yahooligan would work for me though
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <One time I had school group there, with the teacher takign the kids picture, when i asked them to Get down the TEACHER, told me Rules were made to be broken. < makes one real comfortable with the future --
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Giving up and allowing boorish behavior does only one thing -- legititmize it. I don't care if Brad Rex needs to stand there himself with a security guard. It's Disney's job -- and its CMs -- to maintain order and rules. Not just say 'oh (blank) people are pigs, I'm not bothering.' I hate that mentality because it allows for things to slip further.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>UGH. If WDW is going to chronically understaff this area, and if this guest behavior is a recurrent event, at least WDW should give the LS/CR Cast Member a radio so that (s)he could get ahold of a supervisor or security person when (s)he witnesses this yahoo behavior.<< I57, the problem is... WDW is chronically understaffed ALL OVER! You can see the lack of CMs at rides, custodial, turnstyles, parade crowd control and food (to name a few park posititons) However... count how many people they have working for photolab, bugging guests everywhere for photo ops... (but I believe they are not even bonafide CMs but working for Kodak, yet another difunt co.) Now a days it's very rare to see CMs dispatching safety advise and rules to guests in violation of park codes. For that, yoou have to go to TDR, where the japanese Cms waste no time telling someone to refrain from ...whatever. >>It's Disney's job -- and its CMs -- to maintain order and rules. Not just say 'oh (blank) people are pigs, I'm not bothering.' I hate that mentality because it allows for things to slip further.<< Agree with you oh wise one you! But heck... let's keep the lawsuits coming for everytime a guest misbehaves and get hurt when CMs didn't prevent an accident for being short staffed/uncaring/unattentive... what have you.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> when i asked them to Get down the TEACHER, told me Rules were made to be broken. << Holy cow. I can only hope the teacher was joking? And wasn't very good at it? >> we have pretty much given up trying to keep people down off the rocks. << I can appreciate your dilemna. It would just drive me crazy to have to be in your spot, to have to watch people do something as disrespectful as this, and not get backed up better on it. There needs to be another CM there to help control. And I don't care if people sit or stand on the row of rocks in front of the exhibit. Enjoy. It's when they then climb further INTO the exhibit so they can stand directly next to the fish that's wrong. Next time I'm on Small World I think I'll climb out of a boat so I can get a picture of me standing next to the hula dolls. Hey -- "Rules were meant to be broken!" >> They have since taken many of the plants out of the planter and replaced it with Snad and crushed shells << How about trying barbed wire? Seriously, there are footlights in there that have to be stepped over to get to the fish. I find it truly surprising that they're not worried about people injuring themselves on the footlights. (let alone damaging them) Probably they'll solve that one by simply removing the lights.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> would they call YOU a Yahoo? << I'm wondering now who I'm offending by using the term "yahoo." Is there some state out there that is officially "The Yahoo state?" Kind of like finding out that Indiana is the "hoosier" state, and calling someone a hoosier, even when you mean it to be complimentary, can be offensive? I'm so confused.....
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy And even one more -- I'm wondering now what's keeping guests from climbing over the fish all the way to the top of the rocks? So they can "get a picture of me standing on top of it!" I'm going to take my camera to the park next time I go, and photograph some of this herd behavior. Maybe posting it will help open people's eyes. Or give them ideas.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> WDW is chronically understaffed ALL OVER! You can see the lack of CMs at rides, custodial, turnstyles, parade crowd control and food However... count how many people they have working for photolab, bugging guests everywhere for photo ops... << The shortage is everywhere, including the photogroup. And maybe that's the real problem. It's not so much that they're arbitrarily trimming staff. There's just not enough staff to be had. The photo group is manning less than 50% of the locations that we should be. We get complaints from people who "can't find a photographer!"
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^ here's the rub -- they can't find 50-55K cast members that remotely want to be there- where would they find say 10K more ? Yes I know they shouldn't have gotten that large argument also..
