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Originally Posted By ecdc I'll repeat what I said before in the wake of today's hearings on Capitol Hill: For a bunch of people who want us to know how "responsible" they are, a lot of gun owners sure go from zero to "watering the tree of liberty" in around 4.5 seconds. Clowns like these are the last people I want walking around with a gun.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck I think the passion and denial of most gun owners is pretty obvious. It's the position that the majority takes, the unwillingness to compromise that makes no sense. There really is no way to argue against logic and common sense. At the same time, I find some of the zeal around here a little frightening. That statement about controlling Donny and his guns by any means necessary comes to mind.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "3 NEW! Donny Wed 1/30/2013 3:22p well regulated referred to making sure the military could not rule over the people. " Stop listening to the noise machine. It does not mean that. It simply means well organized. By the government. That is, not so disorganized that it would be useless if the need ever arose for it. It was meant as a substitute for a standing army, which the founders distrusted. And if you're going to substitute for the army, you can't be disorganized. But that's all it means. Stop listening to the noise machine.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 By the way, I liked what Mark Kelly said today. We're not anti-gun ownership, he said, we're anti-gun violence.
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Originally Posted By Donny Hurricane Katrina Confiscation of civilian firearms Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C..._Katrina</a>
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>the right of the "people" to keep and bear arms,shall not be infringed.<< That is nothing more than a man made law. And if the American people become fed up with the never ending and escalating violence, and that appears to be happening, they will support the repealing of that law.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>That is nothing more than a man made law.<< Part of the problem is a lot of gun owners are also Christians who believe that the United States is specially blessed by God. Donny, who is a Mormon, would believe that the United States was specifically set up by God as a place of freedom, and that the Founders were inspired by God. Ergo, the 2nd amendment to these people isn't just a man-made law. No word on why God set up a country with slavery and almost no rights for anyone who wasn't a white male landowner.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>At the same time, I find some of the zeal around here a little frightening.<< As well you should. I suspect it was my post that got admin'd (#21 - and seriously, admins?) so here's a second attempt: Nobody is coming to take people's guns away unless they give the rest of us a good reason for doing so. And between the constant stream of gun violence, and gun supporters' continued intransigence (and trolling!) in public discourse, our reasons are getting better and better. To put it another way, the majority of Americans believe that mentally ill people should not have access to guns. So gun owners, if they know what's good for them, should stop acting and sounding so crazy. The second amendment WILL be repealed if there are compelling reasons to do so. Why do so many gun fans insist on constantly giving us compelling reasons? Admins, I don't know of any nicer way I can express this.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer "well regulated referred to making sure the military could not rule over the people" No, because the Second Amendment has nothing to do with the military. The military is covered in the main body of the Constitution. You do know that Congress has explicit authority to mandate training standards for the militia? That they can mandate that every gun owner - as a member of the militia - can meet certain standards?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer "Are you suggesting that these deaths are due to gun advocates losing control of themselves?" No, I'm suggesting that gun violence is a serious public health issue that we need to address on a number of fronts. Some of those deaths were intentional. Some were accidental. All of them were brutally violent.
Originally Posted By ecdc There was another school shooting today. This one in Atlanta. I can't wait for Donny to post links to a car accident.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^And the violence continues to spin out of control, even though there is a firearm for every man, woman and child in the country (or should I say, because)
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Donny can post all the links to car accidents he wants. The fact is that deaths due to gun violence will surpass deaths due to motor vehicle accidents within two years.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Donny IS a car accident. You don't want to watch, but you can't help it.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>And about half have occurred in Chicago<< So what's your point there, DD?
Originally Posted By EdisYoda I would guess because it's illegal to own or sell guns in Chicago. But people still manage to get them. How? They go to places around the country where it's legal to own and buy guns. This is the problem with individual states having control over this matter. People will just go elsewhere.
