Originally Posted By oc_dean root'n toot'n shoot'n Dalmations >>People still drink and drive. But we've cut way down on it. We can cut down (not eliminate) the gun violence too using a similar formula of de-glamorization, sensible new laws, and putting more teeth into the enforcement of existing laws. << We've been doing for cigarettes, with ads that show how unglamorous it is to the human body. Time to do it with guns!
Originally Posted By mawnck Speaking of dalmatians: >>An ongoing argument between neighbors about a couple dumping dog feces on their elderly neighbor’s patio came to a head Monday morning when the neighbor shot and killed them, police say. Police say Chung Kim, 75, lived in an apartment below Jamie Stafford and Michelle Jackson, both 31. There had been an ongoing dispute about the couple dumping their dog’s feces on Kim’s patio and front door, police say. During an argument Monday morning, police say Kim used a handgun to shoot Jackson outside the door on her balcony. Kim then went upstairs into the couple’s apartment and shot at Stafford, who was climbing over the back patio railing. Stafford fell to the ground and Kim went outside, stood over Stafford and shot him again, police say. Both victims were shot multiple times. They died at the scene.<< <a href="http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/02/dallas-police-investigating-double-homicide-at-apartment-complex-on-abrams-road-near-northwest-highway.html/" target="_blank">http://crimeblog.dallasnews.co...ay.html/</a> Now, see, this sort of thing is just going to keep happening, over and over and over and over. Some of the stories are going to be darkly humorous, like this one, some will be sad, some will be larger shootings that are spectacularly awful, but the end effect is going to be this: More gun regulation. Seems to me that gun advocates would want to be in on crafting said regulation, since they're the ones who understand guns and their proper uses. You don't want the likes of me writing the regulations, because you're right, I don't even understand what a semi-automatic is, let alone what it's good for. But they've chosen instead to be as uncooperative and trollish as humanly possible. So the gun laws will be written and passed without them, by people like me, and are going to suck for everybody. Hey, suit yourselves, guys.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Now, see, this sort of thing is just going to keep happening, over and over and over and over. Some of the stories are going to be darkly humorous, like this one, some will be sad, some will be larger shootings that are spectacularly awful<< So spot on. What we're finally realizing is that, awful as a Newtown or a Virginia Tech or an Aurora is, this is the real legacy of gun ownership. Human nature and heated arguments escalate into murder. Take the gun out of the equation, you end up with a bloody nose. In extreme cases, you end up with a stabbing. But more often than not, fewer people die.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Seems to me that gun advocates would want to be in on crafting said regulation, since they're the ones who understand guns and their proper uses.<< >>But they've chosen instead to be as uncooperative and trollish as humanly possible.<< Yes and yes. Well put.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer They have heated arguments in Canada, and England, and France, and Scandinavia and Australia. They just don't end up in murder nearly as often.
Originally Posted By mawnck Quoting myself: >>Some of the stories are going to be darkly humorous, ... some will be sad ...<< Like this one: >>Police in Greenville, South Carolina, say a 3-year-old boy was killed Friday night after a pink gun he mistook for a toy accidentally discharged.<< <a href="http://gawker.com/5981962/three+year+old-boy-accidentally-shot-in-the-head-while-playing-with-pink-gun-he-thought-was-a-toy" target="_blank">http://gawker.com/5981962/thre...as-a-toy</a>
Originally Posted By oc_dean Want to know how deeply intrenched gun culture is in America? <a href="http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/538078_527560920610629_1258791839_n.png" target="_blank">http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/...39_n.png</a> To the point of ignorantly putting arms in the hands of children! And smile to it!!
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I have a feeling that family is from Utah.<< They are dressed like Mormon missionaries.
Originally Posted By mawnck AAAAAND the beat goes on. Gun owners, in addition to being responsible and law-abiding, are also classy: >>Police in San Antonio say a group of friends panicked after one of them accidentally shot another in the back, and tried to pin the whole thing on a "Hispanic male" who never existed. ... <a href="http://gawker.com/5982202/fictitious-hispanic-male-blamed-after-texas-woman-accidentally-shot-in-the-back-by-reckless-friend" target="_blank">http://gawker.com/5982202/fict...s-friend</a> Every day from now on, NRA. Every. Single. Day. And you think stonewalling is going to help?
Originally Posted By Tikiduck NEWSFLASH: Today, 270 million gun owners managed to get through the entire day without going on a homicidal rampage! Film at 11!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>NEWSFLASH: Today, 270 million gun owners managed to get through the entire day without going on a homicidal rampage!<< Well it wouldn't be any fun if they all did it at the same time, now, would it. Tomorrow is a another day. BTW ... it's now 269,999,999: <a href="http://gawker.com/5982159/three-people-including-two-children-shot-dead-in-denver" target="_blank">http://gawker.com/5982159/thre...n-denver</a>
Originally Posted By TomSawyer It isn't the homicidal rampage that is the only issue. Today, about 80 people died from gun violence or gun accidents. 80 more will die tomorrow. 80 more the day after that.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>NEWSFLASH: Today, 270 million gun owners managed to get through the entire day without going on a homicidal rampage!<< 270 million? That would imply that just about every man, woman and child in the country owns a gun. Then again, that nice family picture seems to corroborate that. Another thought: If there were as many commercial airliner deaths every year as there are accidental gunshot deaths, the fleet would be grounded. Anecdote: When my kids were youngsters I would not allow them to enter any home where I knew guns were kept.
Originally Posted By mawnck 269,999,998. And counting .... <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/lapd-manhunt-for-ex-cop-2013-2" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com...p-2013-2</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc And now Aurora, CO victims are being harassed by gun nut conspiracy theorists. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/07/colo-theater-shooting-vic_n_2638496.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...496.html</a>
Originally Posted By Tikiduck I would like to correct my numbers from post 114. The number of gun owners in the U.S. is estimated at 70 to 80 million. The total number of guns held by Americans is 270 million. This basically equates to 89 firearms per 100 people. I was not wearing my glasses, and apologize for the confusion.
