Originally Posted By mawnck Exactly 24 hours after post 158 … at the University of Oklahoma: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/UofOklahoma/status/426044097439072256">http://twitter.com/UofOklahoma...39072256</a> >>Shooting on campus. Avoid Gould Hall. Seek immediate shelter in place.<<
Originally Posted By ecdc It's so commonplace we barely take notice. Unless a dozen people die, we don't even pay attention. Anybody else watching True Detective? I'm feeling awfully sympathetic with Matthew McConaughey's character lately.
Originally Posted By Donny skinnerbox,please don't read my posts or respond to them. I think you have mental issues
Originally Posted By skinnerbox I have every right to read and comment about ANY post on these discussion boards as much as you or any other member of this online community has. You're simply ticked off because I'm getting closer and closer to the real truth you're so desperately trying to hide. BTW... you previously posted that you don't even read my posts anymore. Apparently, that's not true. No one is forcing you to read these boards or respond to comments or even create threads of your own. Like this one! So if you don't like the heat, Donny, then stay out of the kitchen. But I'm not about to take "marching orders" from a gun-toting religious conservative wingnut such as yourself.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Not the one has even the remotest thing to do with the other, but someone should really talk to this woman who lost her husband about drunk driving. I'm sure she'll shut up and feel much better. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/22/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2">http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/22/...pt=hp_t2</a>
Originally Posted By Donny I would never want to see the love of my life shot and killed but I would also not want to be in the car while a drunk driver hit and killed my wife either. Both are bad.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Raising the strawman of drunk driving when talking about gun control does not address the issue of gun control at all. You dipsh!t.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Donny, you do understand that it is illegal to drink and drive, but legal to carry a gun into a movie theater, right?
Originally Posted By Donny Yes, but what I am trying to point out is that it would be easy for me to look at alcohol and say since I don't drink it the world would be better off without it but I know that the majority of people are responsible with alcohol so I would never be for a ban.What I would like from the people here who do not carry is to understand with the millions of gun owners out there,the idea that guns are mostly bad in the hands of civilians is false.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <but I know that the majority of people are responsible with alcohol so I would never be for a ban.> But no one's calling for a ban on guns. Millions of people use alcohol responsibly and harmlessly every day. But you mix alcohol with driving a car, and that's a potential problem. We already accept that if you mix a loaded gun with an airplane in flight, that's a potential problem, and we don't allow it. IMO, you mix a loaded gun (that's not in the hands of trained law enforcement) in a crowded theatre or sports stadium and you also have a potential problem. Many stadiums already ban them. To bring these two things together in a way that actually makes sense, IMO a loaded gun in a bar is also a BIG potential problem. Gee... a loaded gun in a crowded place where people are drinking and some almost by definition will be drunk... what could go wrong? There's a reason "bar fight" is an expression we all know. Introduce a gun and suddenly what might have been settled with fists turns deadly. And so, many bars (like stadiums) have banned guns on their premises. But the NRA works to boycott private businesses that ban guns (which is their right) and even would like to make it ILLEGAL for private business owners to ban them. They want the "right to bear arms" to be absolute, no exceptions, any time, any place, any situation (even though that doesn't apply to any other right, such as free speech, freedom to assemble, search and seizure, etc. etc. etc. All have restrictions.) It's the NRA crazies who are the extremists here, Donny.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Yeah I guess it's more acceptable if he is drunk and in a car to kill someone.<< If you're gonna use a strawman, at least try to use a good one.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Don't make me poke your eye out.<< There you go again. When you can't win an argument through reason, you threaten people with violence. You do this over and over, Donny. Maybe next time you can threaten to shoot.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<When you can't win an argument through reason, you threaten people with violence. You do this over and over, Donny.>> Recovering alcoholic with a history of domestic violence? I could see that. Easily.
Originally Posted By Donny Here is how Utah does it. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://fox13now.com/2014/01/21/lds-church-opposes-change-to-current-liquor-laws/">http://fox13now.com/2014/01/21...or-laws/</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc I am so glad Donny linked to this. It illustrates the problem nicely. Right now, Salt Lake City has the worst air quality in the nation. Bar none. It is twice the federal limit for safe air. Our children aren't allowed outside to play at recess. People with asthma literally can't step outside. It's thanks to the unique landscape of the valley, coupled with atrocious air pollution. So what does the LDS church tell the state of Utah to worry about in its upcoming legislative session? Yep, don't loosen some of the already strictest laws in the nation. And what does that loosening entail? Getting rid of the "Zion Curtain," a glass partition in restaurants so diners can't see the drinks being made. Yup, the state thinks if kids can see alcohol, they'll drink it. They say nothing about the environment or the appalling air quality that the Republican governor refuses to take concrete steps to fix. In the meantime, the laws Donny apparently thinks are swell, are often harmful. Bars aren't allowed to stay open late, so people drink then have to find a way home. If you get a bottle of wine at a restaurant, you aren't allowed to have it corked and take it with you. So, naturally, what do people do? They drink it, even though they may be driving later. BTW, here's the LDS church's statement on gun violence:
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>“It’s very important to avoid an alcohol culture,” said Christofferson who’s an apostle with the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.<< Yes, it would be horrible to have a culture or a religion in which wine played a big part and which is part of the weekly celebration of the savior's life and sacrifice. Or one where the central figure converted simple drinking water into wine. That's the kind of culture that the LDS is trying to avoid, apparently.
Originally Posted By Donny Honestly,can you show me a study that puts SLC #1 <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20490855_last,00.html">http://www.health.com/health/g...,00.html</a>
