Originally Posted By mawnck We mustn't pass laws to keep guns away from this guy, because it won't work: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/">http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/...hooting/</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck >>“We are a big gun-rights state and a lot of older people do have guns, and some of them have dementia,” said Dawn Savattone, a geriatric care manager in Phoenix who said she gets about one case a month involving guns. She is now working with a family of a gun-owner in her early 80s with paranoia. “They’re afraid to go to the house to help her,” she said of the woman’s children.<< >>Families find little help in the law when trying to pry guns away from impaired family members. Only 11 states require a license to buy a gun — Iowa is the one exception west of the Mississippi — so it is difficult to impose restrictions, as states do for driving, based on age or impairment in places where gun ownership is highest. << <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/guns-in-frail-hands/">http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes...l-hands/</a>
Originally Posted By Donny "Families find little help in the law when trying to pry guns away from impaired family members." We do need something to fix this issue
Originally Posted By ecdc <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-indiana-supermarket-shooting-20140115,0,2911223.story">http://www.chicagotribune.com/...23.story</a> Here's another responsible gun owner, until he wasn't.
Originally Posted By Donny Driver in Triple Fatal DUI Crash Refused to Slow Down Source: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/William-Cady-Arraignment-I805-Suspected-DUI-Triple-Fatal-Crash-240380481.html#ixzz2qZuj8Occ">http://www.nbcsandiego.com/new...qZuj8Occ</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc The difference, of course Donny, is that the driver in the awful DUI broke the law the moment they got behind the wheel drunk. Of course, no one breaks any laws with their gun until they actually pull the trigger and kill someone. That's what I mean - we have no way to distinguish between "responsible" and irresponsible gun owners until it's too late. We do have a way to distinguish that with people who drive drunk.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>We do have a way to distinguish that with people who drive drunk.<< And we actively do things to reduce drunk driving and they are working. Drunk driving fatalities have fallen, and I don't anyone here on this board is opposed to tougher laws to reduce them even more. But ... any laws proposed to keep guns out of irresponsible and dangerous people's hands are fought tooth and nail by the NRA. Dementia and Alzheimer's are not good enough of a reason for the NRA to take someone's gun away from them. We might revoke their driver's license, but take their guns away? No siree, we can't do that.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Yep, ecdc brings up a good point. We can legally stop someone before they harm others if they get behind the wheel of a car after drinking. It is already illegal to do so, and there are sobriety checkpoints that check every driver passing through to see whether or not they are drinking and driving. But God forbid we pass a law outlawing guns in public parks or in movie theaters.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I don't think that I've ever seen a news story about a four-year-old who found his parent's liquor cabinet, picked up a liquor bottle and accidentally killed a family member when it went off.
Originally Posted By Donny But I have never heard a news story of a case of beer saving someones life.
Originally Posted By ecdc It's admirable to see you plunging right along with your "alcohol deaths are the same as gun deaths" plot, Donny. Keep it up, it makes the case nicely for strict gun control.
Originally Posted By Donny No,it just shows how in denial alcohol drinkers are about what there pastime does to innocent people.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/socialising-in-pubs-boosts-mens-mental-health-1-3265049">http://www.scotsman.com/news/h...-3265049</a>
Originally Posted By TomSawyer <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/socialising-in-pubs-boosts-mens-mental-health-1-3265049">http://www.scotsman.com/news/h...-3265049</a>
Originally Posted By TomSawyer No, Donny, they do understand what it does. And that is why they make laws against drunk driving, why they make laws establishing sobriety checkpoints, and why there is so much support for sobriety programs. Gun owners, on the other hand, oppose anything that might get in the way of them getting jiggy with their guns.
Originally Posted By Donny "Gun owners, on the other hand, oppose anything that might get in the way of them getting jiggy with their guns." I hope I am never that way.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2484246/Beer-saved-life-Man-fell-freezing-cold-sea-survived.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ved.html</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/how-beer-saved-the-world/">http://topdocumentaryfilms.com...e-world/</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 For a little explanation of the above doc (i.e. find out why beer saved the world without having to watch the whole thing): <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.imaflatley.com/2011/12/13/how-beer-saved-the-world/">http://www.imaflatley.com/2011...e-world/</a>
