Originally Posted By Mr X ***Guns have been used to defend nations*** and subjugate them. ***even our own country owes it's beginnings to guns. that's just simple*** No, it's not at all. If the opening salvo of the Revolutionary War had begun a couple centuries prior, they'd have done just as well fighting with spears and archers, like all the Europeans did for so many centuries before guns came around. Killing has been around a lot longer, guns just make it a lot easier. ***I think they should deregulate cannons*** I saw a fascinating interview with Scalia where he explains without hesitation that cannons don't apply to the second amendment because you can't bear them. I found it an interesting journey into that guys mind, given the fact that given such logic the right to keep and bear rocket launchers, a weapon FAR more impressive than any cannon, would certainly apply — but even moreso I found it just amazing that his logic jumped directly to the situation of two-hundred plus years ago, without a moments hesitation, because it seems that's where the logic of all his decisions comes from. Of course, by that logic we should restrict gun ownership to antique muskets, but fortunately for the likes of Scalia and Donny they can easily jump ahead at their convenience, whenever it suits them.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo I just don't get the conservative mindset. It can't be fun to be living with such fear all the time.
Originally Posted By Donny We don't live in fear.When I carry my firearm I don't think about it half the time.It's just in case anything happens,I am ready thing.
Originally Posted By Donny Here is an example of a responsible gun owner using his firearm for good. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/24480163/2014/01/17/homeowner-allegedly-shoots">http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/st...y-shoots</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc >>We don't live in fear.<< I live in fear of paranoid wannabe heroes like you guys.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I don't think about it half the time.It's just in case anything happens,I am ready thing.>> Kind of like carrying a condom in your wallet when you were in high school, huh? ;-)
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "When I carry my firearm I don't think about it half the time." That's scary.
Originally Posted By ecdc Right? A lot of gun owners truly do live in this bizarro fantasy world and they have no clue how crazy they sound to the rest of us.
Originally Posted By ecdc <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ksl.com/?sid=28387824&nid=148&title=5-people-found-dead-in-apparent-quadruple-murder-suicide-&fm=home_page&s_cid=featured-1">http://www.ksl.com/?sid=283878...atured-1</a> Hey, here's another guy who was a responsible gun owner until yesterday.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Here is an example of a responsible gun owner using his firearm for good.<< He was lucky. The statistics repeatedly show, donny, that a gun owner is more likely to kill themselves or a family member by accident with their gun than kill an intruder.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The guy in ecdc's link killed 4 members of his family and then himself, all in one go. And was a "responsible gun owner" until the minute he did so. No sign of mental illness; everyone was shocked. Find me someone who can do that with a set of candlesticks.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "When I carry my firearm I don't think about it half the time." So half the time Donny IS thinking about it, or what passes for thought as far as it goes. Like Zimmerman, he's ignoring instructions, ready to act on his own intuition, which we all know is as stellar as Zimmerman's. It's sheer idiocy.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "When I carry my firearm I don't think about it half the time." Not thinking about the fact that you have a weapon capable of such horrific things, even if by accident, is exactly the reason that guy left his gun on that ride in Disneyworld. Or why they get left out in homes where little kids can get access to them, etc. Which is exactly why the average person doesn't need to be carrying something like that around with them at all times. Just statistically speaking, Donny, you're much more likely to forget something or do something accidental that will result in injury or potential injury than you will EVER have the chance of using it to defend yourself.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>The guy in ecdc's link killed 4 members of his family and then himself, all in one go.<< At least he didn't get drunk and run over them with his car, right Donny? Because that would have been bad.
Originally Posted By ecdc Here's what you don't get, donny. Thanks to gun owners and the NRA, we have almost no boundaries around guns. I keep hammering on "responsible gun owners" because we usually have no way of identifying an irresponsible gun owner until someone is dead or seriously wounded. But what about your favorite analogy to alcohol? We have boundaries around alcohol use. That's part of the point of laws. We know drunk driving laws won't, unfortunately, stop everyone from driving drunk. But it establishes a boundary of acceptable behavior. The truth is, most people who get behind the wheel of a car drunk can probably drive home and not kill anyone. But we *still* say that's not okay, because there's a risk. We establish a boundary. But we have almost no boundaries with guns. How do we know if someone walking down the street with a pistol strapped to his body is irresponsible? We don't, until he starts shooting. You shouldn't be allowed to patrol your neighborhood armed, Donny. Because it sets an established boundary of acceptable behavior. Because I have no way of knowing if you're a responsible gun owner or not. This guy who just killed his entire family, two days ago, you would have called him a "responsible gun owner."
Originally Posted By Donny "But we have almost no boundaries with guns." I think you know I am for some reasonable laws. safety classes,background checks,A court system that can remove guns from mentally disturbed people.I would not be for registration
Originally Posted By ecdc >>safety classes, background checks<< How do those establish boundaries? How do I know if someone walking down a street carrying a semi-automatic rifle has taken a safety class? How do I know they've passed a background check? How do I know if someone who shows up to a school with a gun is just a "responsible" gun owner and not a school shooter?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Are you in favor of universal background checks (i.e. closing the gun show loophole?)
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "It's just in case anything happens,I am ready thing." No, you're not afraid at all.
