Originally Posted By leemac <<I think the live 'face characters' are an important part of the experience.>> Me too. I just wishe they weren't all princesses and princes. They are so many other amazing characters.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I agree leemac. Even if Disney considers some of the characters to be somehow 'obscure,' it would be neat to still see the 'Treasure Planet' face characters in Tomorrowland. Or even 'Atlantis' -- Milo Thatch and that other gal [Kira?] were in DCA for a short while -- it was cool to see them.
Originally Posted By leemac Jim, did you ever see the TP characters at DL? They were next to the old Radio disney booth. It was kinda cool.
Originally Posted By Neon Cactus I just read the article and find it odd that so many of these films would be considered failure. Hunchback had one of the best musical scores and soundtracks of any of the Disney animated films. The live action show at Disney World (never saw the Disneyland version) was outstanding. I would love to see more of those characters out in the parks. Expecting every future film to match up with the Lion King, even Aladdin, is unrealistic.
Originally Posted By leemac I'm totally with you, Neon Cactus. Hellfire is one of the finest sequences EVER constructed for a Disney movie. The music and the art direction was flawless. In my opinion the music was Menken's finest. Someday (that ended up in the musical) was phenomenal.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I always thought a 'Treasure Planet' ride-thru would have been a great 'transition' attraction for the old motor boat cruise. The Fantasyland side would look more pirate ship-y, and the Tomorrowland side would look more futuristic. Like the movie, it could create an interesting blend of old vs. new.
Originally Posted By markedward Wow. I just read on another website that a CARS attraction is already being developed for Disneyland Paris. The rule seems to be that if its Pixar, it gets an attraction and if it's Disney, it gets a store window on Main Street for a few weeks. I can't wait to see Cute Little Lamp - The Attraction or The Many Adventures of That Unicycle with a Ball. Note to Disney powers-that-be: You'll want to double-check this, but I'm pretty sure Disney makes cartoons too.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Jim, did you ever see the TP characters at DL? They were next to the old Radio disney booth. It was kinda cool.> I did see them. Very nice. And to me, it's almost better to devise an attraction around a lesser known or beloved movie. You can move a lot more 'Atlantis' DVDs than you can 'Toy Story' I'll betcha. On the other hand, who wants a 'Helga Sinclair' plush?
Originally Posted By TheRedhead "On the other hand, who wants a 'Helga Sinclair' plush?" Replace the word "plush" with "inflatable" and you'd have had the most popular Disney toy since coonskin caps. "Add Chance to Shine to that list. One of the finest streetmosphere projects ever at DLR and unceremoniously axed." Amen. I was so impressed by that show. Shockingly good. Lee, I've always wondered - do you know who wrote that show? It's obviously some talented folk. Clever lyrics and fun music. Really captured the whole spirit of what the Hollywood section of the park should be.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Replace the word "plush" with "inflatable" and you'd have had the most popular Disney toy since coonskin caps.<< ROFL!!!
Originally Posted By Pinocchio85 Great article. I'm also a big Treasure Planet fan. It suffered from bad marketing, a poor release date and being called a failure too early. I love all of the Disney films of the past 10 years. There's something in each one that I love.
Originally Posted By leemac TheRedhead I think I may just have the music somewhere for Chance to Shine so I will see if I can dig it out. I never understood why it was not put on the DCA Official Album.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA leemac, it seems like the DCA album was released quite early -- 'Lights, Camera, Chaos' is on the album and was practically gone when it was released. Didn't 'Chance to Shine' come in a bit later?
Originally Posted By Jim I really appreciated your speaking out on this because trashing great films means trashing great artists. I think of all the amazing work Ken Duncan, for example, put into Megara, Jane Porter, and Captain Amelia. To trash those great characters and characterizations is a shame. It's not that people don't like these characters, it's just that many of them discovered ENG or ATLANTIS on video, where you can't fully measure popularity. If Disney just did some work on keeping these movies in the spotlight, like in their company praise, in montages, in storybooks, then they'd have a greater wealth of characters to merchandise and profit from. But for me, in the end, it comes down to the frustration of bad-talking great films and the great artists who devoted themselves to them.
Originally Posted By basil fan Yes, Jim, a thousand times!! Disney has the power to keep their films & characters in the public eye with very little outlay. Just keeping the forgotten films in montages & things here & there would make a difference, I think. I am not impressed when I see some Disney merchandise that is simply the same old same old. When every still you see is that same old still, you wonder what happened to the Disney Archives. The Perfect Collectible <a href="http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/disney/collectible.html" target="_blank">http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/ disney/collectible.html</a>
Originally Posted By ryanbalas Good points. Everytime the big guy slips up and says something that hurts the hand that feeds him - let's let him know. At least he can apologize or justify what he said. Love Pixar. I don't mind the Pixar connection coming into the parks but, I do mind the choices. Finding Nemo? I guess the ride will work as long as it doesn't include the Father. I can barely make it through "Nemo" because of Nemo's Dad's incessant babble throughout the film. It is like watching all of the Woody Allen films in one 96 minute package. Plus, Nemo is a very linear film. It goes from Point A to Point B and Returns to Point A. If it wasn't for the Fish Tank characters, the seagulls and Dorie, the movie would have completely fallen flat. Any sequal would have Nemo spending at least a session a week in therapy. I would have been happier with the Little Mermaid connection for the Lagoon. Battle of good vs evil, etc. Comic elements, music. It has it all. I agree that Treasure Planet was visually a great movie. Made for an older crowd but, my friend's 4 year old put it best in representting his age group when asked if he wanted to watch TP before it went back to the library. "No Mommy. That is the boring one." Me. I loved Brother Bear - loved it. And, Emperor's New Groove? The best for quick comedy "Well, he ain't gettin' any deader!" "Why do we have that lever?" "Why does she have that lever?" I still laugh...
Originally Posted By Kuzcochik You know at this point though, I'm kind of glad TP's out of the spotlight. I mean is anyone else watching what's happening to TENG? K, so sequal aside (cause I really actually liked Kronk's New Groove) but have you seen the tv show *gags slightly*. If that were to happen to TP also I'd be angrier than I already am. And thank god there will probably never be a sequal. The movie is amazing on its own and a sequal would cheapen it (it'd prob end up like Atlantis just screwing up the entire idea). [/rant off]
Originally Posted By utahjosh "Plus, Nemo is a very linear film. It goes from Point A to Point B and Returns to Point A. If it wasn't for the Fish Tank characters, the seagulls and Dorie, the movie would have completely fallen flat." But there were Fish tank characters. And a lot of time devoted to them. Dory and the seagulls were great.
Originally Posted By basil fan My neice liked TP when she saw it in the theater at age 4. She still likes it, even though it has no princess. Beyond Experiment 626 <a href="http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/disney/stitch.html" target="_blank">http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/ disney/stitch.html</a>
Originally Posted By electra uhm, I think theres another factor you guys arent considering when it comes to why some of these later animated films didnt fare well at the box ofice & didnt catch on with the public. Audiences and it seems people in general have become, well... dumber. Sorry but I dont think any amount of promotion would have gotten the masses to sit down for an hour & a half to watch a thougtful beautifully drawn film about a father/son relationship set in space.
