Originally Posted By barboy Yes, Russain indeed! It has that Orthodox and Byzantine thing going on-- looks delicious!
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara I think the park is fatally flawed, just like California Adventure. You could double the size and number of attractions at Hong Kong Disneyland and just get to a one-day experience. Who the hell needs a third hotel? DCA is fatally flawed for different reasons--it is already a full-day park if you actually do everything that's there. The concept doesn't work and no matter how much they jazz it up, it's still not going to work much better. Considering the amount of money they're spending, essentially more than the park originally cost, I don't see that they're getting enough out of it. I think the entire notion of a "Cars Land" is misguided. It's driven by two things: Lassiter's ego (he directed the movie and loves its characters), and merchandising--they sell billions of dollars a year worth of Cars stuff to little boys. Cars is the least interesting of all the movies Pixar has made, and when you consider that they're spending 200 million dollars for the new version of Test Track, they could have built Journey to the Center of the Earth instead. Now, tell me, which would you really rather see? Test Track with talking cars or Journey to the Center of the Earth? The new lineup for Hong Kong Disneyland, with two E-tickets and a bunch of crap, is a foolish mistake. It's not nearly enough to goose the park to the attendance it needs. The place is like a ghost town. And when things really get rolling in Shanghai, with a park three or four times the size of HKDL, the attendance in Hong Kong will collapse entirely. I think this is the first Disney park that has the potential to close within 20 years because they're not going to spend the 2 to 3 billion dollars they need to bring it up to where it needs to be.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< You could double the size and number of attractions at Hong Kong Disneyland and just get to a one-day experience. >>> I don't follow you - why do you say this?
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara Hong Kong Disneyland just about makes a half-day park now (and that's with riding Space Mountain and the Jungle Cruise multiple times because there are no lines). If you double the number of attractions it will then be a full-day park. Just.
Originally Posted By SuperDry That's assuming that attendance-to-attraction ratio stayed the same. If HKDL had attendance in line with the other Disney parks, you wouldn't be able to rush through the attractions nearly as quickly, as you'd add 15-30 minutes of waiting for each attraction.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara Considering how warm it is most of the year, the park would just stay open later.
Originally Posted By barboy ///"Cars Land" is misguided. It's driven by two things: Lassiter's ego (he directed the movie and loves its characters), and merchandising/// You bet. And I especially like your "driven" since we're talking about Cars Land--- well done!
Originally Posted By Disneydanny by any chance are any of the bears on "Big Grizzly Mountain" tone-deaf?
Originally Posted By leemac <<they're spending 200 million dollars for the new version of Test Track,>> Try $350 million.
Originally Posted By Mr X Okay Lee, you always have some inside insight so...if it costs THAT much, do you think it's worth it?
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Okay Lee, you always have some inside insight so...if it costs THAT much, do you think it's worth it?*** To clarify, what I mean is what are your thoughts on multiple levels like 1) will it get "bang for the buck", like Pooh in Tokyo driving so many bodies into the park those first few years after it opened? and 2) will it seem extravagant and elaborate enough that people say "wow, they spent so much money and it REALLY shows!"? and 3) will it satisfy most customers, casual and glassy-eyed fans alike?
Originally Posted By barboy ///Try $350 million. /// ......and yet it will not be as good as the volcanic journey. But I'd bet my life that Rad. Racers will blow Test Track out of the water.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< <<they're spending 200 million dollars for the new version of Test Track,>> Try $350 million. >>> Wow - I'd like to see the ROI calculations on that one! Is that just for RSR, or all of CarsLand? If just for RSR, that's a big number. Isn't that about twice as much as any previous E ticket? With two parallel tracks, I guess there's the possibility that it will have a large hourly guest capacity.
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ Just Radiator Springs Racers. And as you can imagine - there is no positive NPV on that puppy. I believe TDS' Tower of Terror holds the current record - $215m. X- I'm not going to comment on CarsLand except to say that I'm completely against the current capital expenditure project - I don't believe that the two major attractions and two minor attractions are sufficient. I'd wager good money that World of Color will have a bigger impact (buck versus buck) than any of the other spends.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Sadly Lee, I suspect you are right. However WOC and RSR are the two things that may draw us back vs. going to the Asian parks.
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ Net present value. It is a method of determining whether you should invest in a project - basically it is the present value of an investment's future net cash flows minus the initial investment.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<^^ Just Radiator Springs Racers. And as you can imagine - there is no positive NPV on that puppy. I believe TDS' Tower of Terror holds the current record - $215m. X- I'm not going to comment on CarsLand except to say that I'm completely against the current capital expenditure project - I don't believe that the two major attractions and two minor attractions are sufficient. I'd wager good money that World of Color will have a bigger impact (buck versus buck) than any of the other spends.>> While on some level, I tend to agree with you, I'm also thrilled that we're getting all of the above. Disney has been incredibly cautious and conservative about spending in its USA parks and resorts and getting by on past rep, marketing scams and smaller scale projects. If Disney hadn't of built a park on the cheap (what was the REAL cost of DCA 2001, taking out DD and the Grand and infrastructure? Maybe just a few smidges over $600 million? If that?) they wouldn't be doing what is being done now. Then you have parks like DSP and HKDL that need billions of investment themselves. You can't build parks on a McDonald's Dollar Menu budget while passing them off as Morton's steak ... doesn't work, no matter the marketing BS. Hopefully, they'll realize that folly and Shanghai DL will open with 30 attractions or more, including many signature (and unique) E-Tix.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Exactly Spirit, if DCA was built with a little more top attractions from the get-go (i.e. a TOT here, a GMR there) there wouldnt even be a need to build a $350 million attraction to get people interested in it today. I admit, thats a scary figure lol. I dont have a clue how does Disney measure a ROI on something like that? Does attendance need to shoot up by 30% in a certain amount of time to even know it was worth it? Seems quite steep to me, but it does tell me as crappy of a park DCA turned out to be, TPTB really are doing everything they can to tell people this is will be a quality park that calls on more than 3-4 hours a day to see. With WOC, Carsland, a rejuvenated PP and a great new entrance, they are on the right path at least. With the price tags they are throwing out for this park now, it tells me they realize how low-balled the original park was and the ONLY choice is now to go big, big, big!!
