Originally Posted By WilliamK99 She didnt deserve to be raped, nobody deserves to be raped and those who committed the act should be punished, what people are saying is that businesses should not be held accountable for crimes their employees commit....
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 unless of course the crimes were committed with full knowledge and support of the business in question...
Originally Posted By ecdc William and DAR continue to deliberately misrepresent the facts to defend the GOP at all costs. The ability to sue does not equal "held accountable." They refuse to acknowledge this very simple fact to defend those poor, picked on corporations.
Originally Posted By DAR <<She lived by the sword and she got stuck with it. It's carma for being in the business of profoundly hurting people. Others in the firm will have their day of reckoning sooner or later too.>> Pump the brakes son, I'm not coming down anywhere near the position that she "deserved to get raped" not in the slightest. I'm concerned about businesses being sued for having no knowledge if the rape occurred.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Tell me, please, what a person would sue for if the company had no idea such an act occurred? What would the case be based upon?>> It's a poorly constructed sentence. But I'll answer with a person who has a grudge against his or her employer.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But I'll answer with a person who has a grudge against his or her employer.<< I didn't ask for what their motivation would be. I asked on what grounds would they drag their employer into court? You don't seem to have an answer and instead keep lobbing these vague generalities.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan In other words, if I am raped by a group of coworkers, I can't simply say "I'm suing you all and the company!" At some point, i would have to produce some sort of evidence that shows that my company was somehow complicit in the rape, not just because it happened on company property. If I am to get a financial settlement from the company, my lawyers must prove that the company somehow had a legitimate way of preventing the rape, or somehow attempted to cover it up, or tried to stop me reporting it, or something. If a company did none of that, and there is no evidence to prove otherwise, it would never reach a trial. I'm sure STPH can explain it better than I.
Originally Posted By DAR But you're still talking about tons of time and money spent on legal fees which some businesses wouldn't be able to afford.
Originally Posted By barboy The cool thing about karma is that it doesn't play favorites. If you're male or female, old or young, black or white, working at a defense firm doing business where you shouldn't have been in the first place and you get locked in a container then I have no sympathy for you; you and all of your colleagues at the firm are scum of the earth. If you are US military personnel and you step on a "bouncing betty" or roadside bomb in Iraq then I have no sympathy for you..... if you're still alive maybe next time you'll think twice before working for a creature that has hurt the world and its own people. Always remember you had a choice to work for Uncle Sam; nobody made you do it. If you are a politician who wastes my money by hiring defense firms and sending troops to invade a sovereign state and you get pancreatic cancer then I have no sympathy for you. If you like to blow innocent people up and you get the water treatment down in Cuba then I have no sympathy for you. If you got caught up in the CIA or US military net unjustly then I do feel for you and I hope you take vengeance against those who imprisoned and tortured you. If you're in the business of bringing misery to others you too will be hurt according to laws of universal "actions". adios LP..... it's been fun
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But you're still talking about tons of time and money spent on legal fees which some businesses wouldn't be able to afford.<< This particular legislation was about companies with government contracts. Big, fat, huge qovernment contracts. Not your local Baskin-Robbins franchise. But be that as it may, you would prefer that even when a company actively engaged in a coverup of this sort, that should be okay? Because that's the "counter" position to this legislation. Come on, Dar. You're arguing to argue at this point.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 We as a group flip flop on leaving World Events more than most distinguished Congressmen do in their entire careers lol.... But something keeps on bringing us back to this place...
Originally Posted By DAR <<But be that as it may, you would prefer that even when a company actively engaged in a coverup of this sort, that should be okay? Because that's the "counter" position to this legislation.>> No I never said that was okay. What I want is for companies to be protected for not having any chance of having a lawsuit filed against it if it didn't have knowledge of what occurred. This legislation might apply to those with government contracts but eventually it will catch up to other businesses.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>What I want is for companies to be protected for not having any chance of having a lawsuit filed against it if it didn't have knowledge of what occurred.<< And again -- what would they be sued for? You never answered this. A person can't just declare "I sue you!" and the company must go to court. There has to be some reason, some violation (real or not) that they are claiming the company engaged in for them to be liable in any way. Give me some examples of what an individual would charge the company with.
Originally Posted By DAR If an individual is terminated from their job they could very well come up with a bogus wrong termination suit. I get it you and others hate the business community. You think we're nothing about greed. You listen to what the news tells you. But did you know that my company is one of the top five contributors to the United Way in Milwaukee. That we have a campaign every year to contribute to the Arts Program. That we will match any contributions made hundreds of local charities. No you'd rather believe that we're in this for a buck, well look a little deeper.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I get it you and others hate the business community. You think we're nothing about greed. You listen to what the news tells you.<< I'm sorry, are you speaking to me, or to some imagined person? Where did I ever say that I hate "the business community." You're shadow boxing again. I am glad your company gives to charity. That's marvelous. Really, it is. I don't know what the hell it has to do with the topic at hand, but hey, thanks for sharing.
Originally Posted By DAR Fine all companies should be sued if an employee of theirs is raped. Because it's quite obvious it's the fault of a company if someone gets raped there.
