Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "LuvDat, Just to let you know...I am a Fl. native and today I don't live that far from the place...I know what has happened over the years...Yes things are different...But I personally don't find the place to be substandard...If I did I wouldn't continue to visit..." That's fine. We all decide where we want to go. I, and many others who remember how WDW used to be run, know that things have fallen a long way. It doesn't mean that we hate the place or find it -- as a whole anyway -- unacceptable. But if you simply take the MK and compare it in any number of areas from say 20 years ago to Disney's own standards (not mine, not yours, not Joe Anybody), today's MK would be substandard. This may just be a semantics debate, or perhaps you're one of the many people who don't notice all the changes for the worse that have been made. But it doesn't matter. I'm taking the subjective out of things and just objectively comparing things I witness/experience to what Disney's standards always were. Substandard is a very appropriate word.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> dropped precipitously << Much too strong. >> Substandard is a very appropriate word. << No it's not.
Originally Posted By wdwfan1 <<Although it does seem like they're going to go big for Epcot's 25th, I must wonder if there'll be substance or just Disney slick marketing.>> Just Disney slick marketing... Why is that a problem... Disney needs to get people in the park.. Most of us are aware that Disney is a company and unfortunately is in the businees to make money... That Means Getting Guests Into The Parks.. I agree that MK has changed, change is not always good, but without change, things become stagnant.. I've been visiting Disney since the early 80's and sure there are things that I wish would be the way they were back then.. Disney can't please everybody.. IMO..
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney >> dropped precipitously << "Much too strong." I disagree. We can go back and forth all year and not change each other's feelings. I know what I experienced in the 70s and 80s and what Disney standards were and what they are now. Things that used to get CMs fired, for example, are now SOP. Disney put saving money over quality and upkeep and lowered its standards. That's why the Haunted Mansion can't ever be rehabbed. That's why it's OK for effects in Splash Mountain to be inoperative for months or years. That's why Space Mountain is still stuck in the 1970s. I know I never experienced bathrooms that were dirty, let alone, filthy before because Disney wouldn't ever let that happen. It does all the time now. >> Substandard is a very appropriate word. << "No it's not." Like I said, two opinions ... but I know I've been going to WDW since soon after it debuted. I know many people on the inside, or who used to be. Out of curiosity, were you even alive in the 70s or 80s, let alone a frequent WDW visitor? I ask that because many people who are so quick to jump to Disney's defense can't fathom a place that only had 1-2 parks, 1 water park, no traffic lights, no DVC, etc ... and it does color opinions.
Originally Posted By wdwfan1 <<<I ask that because many people who are so quick to jump to Disney's defense can't fathom a place that only had 1-2 parks, 1 water park, no traffic lights, no DVC, etc ... and it does color opinions.>>> I was there for all of the above and I'm still coming back for more... I now live in Florida and have my resident annual and wouldn't have it any other way... Yes, I've seen changes, not all were for the good of the parks. So whats your point?? Your never going there again?? If not.. there are millions who are waiting in line to replace you and your money.. I go there more often then ever.. You can write all the long winded arguments you want on here. It's not going to change what I like and you don't.. Answer me this. do you go, do you enjoy yourself.. If not then you need to go to Universal... MY Opinion..
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Originally Posted By wdwfan1 <<Very true. I've run into more rude CM's in the last two years than in the previous 28 of going to WDW. I even had one that used the word "Pi_ _ ed" to descibe the way hwas feeling one night. Unreal.>> Me thinks there is a troll lurking around these boards...
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys ^^ There is no troll running around these boards. I've been here for quite a while and have contributed to many discussions and have a son who is a CM at MGM. Besides that I';ve been going to Disney since 1979 on my honeymoon and been over 40 times since them. So keep your unqualified remarks to yourself. Thank you.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys ^^ Of course, a long time poster such as yourself who's been here for about a week has a lot of justification in making such an idiotic remark. Go away.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>You don't celebrate an anniversary from some person's birthdate. You celebrate the anniversary of the opening day of the THING itself<< While it's true that it didn't really mark the 100th anniversary of a particular event or occurence ... I'm really glad they didn't just let Walt Disney's birthday go by without a mention. After all, without his birth the rest of it wouldn't have happened, so I think it was fitting to have a tribute to this.
Originally Posted By Labuda DDDG - never fear, man. Those of us who've been around the LP for a while know you're not a troll. Pay no mind to the n00bs flinging their insults about.
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Originally Posted By wdwfan1 <<Labuda Mon 3/20/2006 7:27p DDDG - never fear, man. Those of us who've been around the LP for a while know you're not a troll. Pay no mind to the n00bs flinging their insults about.>>. what is your problem??? You think you own these boards with your buddy talk... get a life ok... I did not insult him ... You have a problem with something post on here THEN TALK TO ME ABOUT IT!!! you are the rude one I've see your posts you talk around people and about them... Like I said in my post t to the gentleman.. I thought hew as trool based in his comments in the COP topic.. You have a problem with that... YOU DONT RUN THE BOARD .. Like i said if you got a issue about something I post talk to me not about me YOUR RUDE!!
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Wow. Two more Admin smoking holes. We've managed to poke another sore spot with a stick.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >> Substandard is a very appropriate word. << Debatable. I only apply the term to WDW when comparing it to TDR's superior standards in operation and maintenance. But I would have to say that it can't be applied to WDW solely on it's own. WDW still offers some degree of magic and wonder to many who are not regulars and too the vast majority who have not been fortunate to visit other Disney resorts and make comparisons. My vast familiarity with all of the 5 resorts worldwide will always be my cross to bear and curse, but that is just me. I am just glad for Disney that many still concider the place magical by today's standards of operation.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> My familiarity with all of the 5 Disney resorts worldwide will always be my cross to bear and curse << I almost made a joke here about how somebody can possibly see negatives in being able to visit Disney worldwide. But I won't. I do understand what you're saying. How I wish I could have that same freedom to visit the way you do. And work related, too. You're very lucky. Thanks for bringing the experiences and comparisons back to us. I would suggest that those of us here in the US who remember the way it was back when at WDW/MK, compared to the now, bear a similar cross. We remember Walt. We remember the early years. And we wish that more of the important, richly detailed subtleties, and service levels were still there. But at the same time, I don't think "dropped precipitously" and "substandard" are fair terms here, and I couldn't let their use go unchallenged.
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Originally Posted By demderedoseguys TDLFAN- Please summarize the major differences between WDW and the other worldwide resorts. While I think WDW is not what it used to be, I think they are tryting to make it better and without the good fortune of being able to visit all the parks, it's hard to get a perspective on your point of view. I still think that on the whole,WDW is a great place to visit.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "But at the same time, I don't think "dropped precipitously" and "substandard" are fair terms here, and I couldn't let their use go unchallenged." Fair enough. We are all entitled to our opinions (although I'd love to know what was in the admined posts that disappeared). You clearly are intelligent and have a history of visiting WDW, and admit things aren't what they were. How would you describe the situation? What term(s) would you use? Are you someone who would be bothered by having to walk through food and other refuse to get down Main Street and realize its because of cutbacks in custodial or would you simply sigh and say that's life today and not take issue with it? If you had to take a child into a restroom at Disney-MGM Studios and couldn't find one that wasn't filthy would you blame the guests or stop by Guest Relations (like I did recently) complain and not take a free dinner at Hollywood and Vine to go away? What would you tell your friends to do when they came to WDW and got a recently renovated room at the Beach Club made their feet dirty from the carpeting, had hair and mold in the bathroom and torn sheets all for prices higher than Ritz Carlton? I'm really curious because I do try and see other viewpoints unlike some others here. I don't go easy on WDW because I love it, remember when everything was first class and I respect the vision of its founders. I also don't believe any BS about the current business environment forcing WDW to do business a certain way. So ... what are your thoughts? Thanks.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN TDLFAN- Please summarize the major differences between WDW and the other worldwide resorts<< Oh God... I can't possibly be here typing for over 5 hours sir. Let's get together at WDW one of these days and I will give a visual comparison. >>While I think WDW is not what it used to be, I think they are tryting to make it better<< I'd love to agree but besides adding new rides and such... what are they doing new that will improve the overall appearance of the resort? If I didn't see light fixtures falling off the ceiling over the former Timekeeper entrance... then I would definitely say they are trying, but I don't see the effort to restore some sparkle at the MK, or even that awful PI at DTD. >>without the good fortune of being able to visit all the parks, it's hard to get a perspective on your point of view.<< #1 reason why I am so hated here. No one knows why I say the things I say and no one knows where I come from with my frustrations. Time for a trip to Tokyo for you >>I still think that on the whole,WDW is a great place to visit.<< Yes it is. I agree 100% There is still some magic left in the old Hag.
