Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I'm just a giddy idiot fanboi ton have it back>> The first step of changing is acceptance.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>The first step of changing is acceptance.<<< LOL. I'm fine with liking Nightastic. Nothing wring with this. We've wanted something like this for a while, and I'm in no place to complain about it.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^I'd be happy for it if it wasn't so "meh". That's the way I feel about it. Cool fireworks, but an old parade and nothing too substantial to get excited about.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I think more people view MSEP as "Best, retro, nostalgic parade", and have a much bigger attachment to it. ;-) That's the real reason for all the hype.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I think more people view MSEP as "Best, retro, nostalgic parade", and have a much bigger attachment to it. ;-)>> Sure, maybe insane Disney fans like us. But for most people, you could interchange MSEP and Spectro and they wouldn't know the difference.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer If it's labeled as new, people will come. And the name "MSEP" is MUCH more recognizable in the media than Spectro. People know it as a Disney brand/staple.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^No, they don't,EE. A nromal person would have no idea what the history of MSEP is if asked.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Who said anything about History? I'm saying that if you mentioned the name of MSEP versus the name of Spectro to an average person on the street, they would know MSEP over Spectro. It's synonymous with Disney, in that way.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer You have proof, jt? ;-) I've spoken with my friends, who aren't Disney fans in the least sense, and they knew what it was, when they asked me where I was going over the summer.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^Sure I could ask probably 100 of my friends from home and maybe 3 would be able to know what it actually is. I'm not talking about a vague idea, because the name basically gives away what the thing freakin is. I'm talking about actually knowing the music and floats and such. A parade isn't a big draw. Period.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ I think that's all your opinion, so, there's no real point to this... Parades can be a draw...Just like ToN was, and just like MSEP is for NT.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^Except no one outside of Florida knows about NT...Abnd I seriously doubt ToN was the draw in the Millenium Celebration year.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer The whole night package for EPCOT was... You don't remember how heavily promoted the images of ToN and RoE were? I think you need to give more credit to the average guest, Hokie...People use the internet, even if it's just to read and lurk, and in doing that, they learn. Potential guests, and others know that something is up in DL with WoC, and that WDW has SOMETHING going on.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^EE, I've seen the average guest everday for months on end...The large majority coiuoldn't know less if they tried. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer They do know the basics, though, no denying that. MSEP is a basic, IMHO.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Review of the new drop sequence and effects in the drop shaft for ToT is over at the MAGICal place. Summed up in one word : lame.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper From the MAGICal place: <<Someone asked what else is different. The awkward answer is in a sense, the temporary removal of the Fifth Dimension scene. You still go through it, of course, but it's completely covered in black curtains embedded with very basic fiber optics. Regarding the timing - someone worth trusting told me they timed it today and it's the same. I suppose the lack of eventfulness created the impression that there's less time spent there. There were a couple of times (literally only two) where I said "Oh!" but not a one that I said "Wow!" Tower's one of my favorite rides in the entire world. Honestly, there's only three or four other rides that even come close to how much I value it. It's not that I'm anti-tower and thus have nothing good to say. It's much more that I'm pro-tower and there *is* nothing good to say.>> LAME.
