Originally Posted By jonvn I really don't understand why it's wrong for them to take steroids in the first place.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Steroids affect different people different ways. Some people seem to tolerate them fine, and of course, enhance their performance with them. But others react badly. They essentially killed Lyle Alzado and Ken Caminiti. Baseball is belatedly trying to purge itself of steriods, not only for the health of its own players, but because all the wink-wink nod-nod also gives the nod to young people looking for an edge ("hey, maybe *I* can be a home run hitter!"), a certain percentage of whom will end up dead or crippled due to steroid use.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 I need steroids to improve my vision to open this damn thread. Curses to Kar2oonman for the itsy bitsy teeny tiny asterick title. ;>
Originally Posted By jonvn ok, I guess post 24 is reasonable. I guess I just don't care that much about baseball to think them using drugs to enhance their abilities is really a problem, but if it does encourage kids to do such things, then yeah, not a good thing.
Originally Posted By DlandJB Well, no, you can't. Like in the case of historical buildings, you can't just tear them down.>>> You can if you own them and they have not been designated a historic landmark. It is only that designation that protects them. I daresay the L.A. area has torn down more than its share of historic buildings with no thought to their history or the larger loss almost as a matter of course. It would be sad and in some cases definitely unethical, but if you own it and their are no historic riders on it, you can destroy it.
Originally Posted By jonvn "You can if you own them and they have not been designated a historic landmark." I think I mentioned historical landmark someplace....It has to have landmark status first, yes.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I find Barry Bonds to be such a smug, arrogant jerk, that I don't really care how the ball is displayed. Maybe they could stamp 'STEROID USE' on it. We know he used steriods, he knows he used steroids, and yet, we all pretend that he didn't use steroids, and just 'got real big' by working out and eating all his vegetables and drinking his milk. *
Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyle_Alzado" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L yle_Alzado</a> **Alzado is probably most remembered today for being one of the first major U.S. sports figures to admit to abuse of steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death at the age of 43, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness, but his physician stated it could not possibly be true. Alzado was using natural growth hormone, harvested from human corpses, as opposed to synthetic growth hormones.**
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<harvested from human corpses>> Well there ya go Barry's been pumping himself up with the Babe's stuff.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Probably got Ted Williams eyes as his head is laying around frozen in AZ.
Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Caminiti" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K en_Caminiti</a> **Caminiti died of an apparent heart attack in The Bronx on October 10, 2004 at New York's Lincoln Memorial Hospital. Preliminary news reports on October 15, 2004 indicated he died of a drug overdose. Rob Silva, an acquaintance of Caminiti who spent part of the day with him on October 10, told Newsday that Caminiti was edgy and depressed on the day he died, but also said he did not witness Caminiti using drugs on that day. On November 1, the New York City Medical Examiners Office announced that Caminiti died from "acute intoxication due to the combined effects of cocaine and opiates," but coronary artery disease and cardiac hypertrophy (an enlarged heart) were also contributing factors.**
Originally Posted By alexbook FWIW, Canseco is convinced that steroids extended his career, or so he claimed in his book.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Mr X what you are missing is that Caminiti had a drug/alcohol problem for many years. He started taking steriods because his body was breaking down from the abuse. The steriods are proven to make users moody, anger and suicidal. The mix of the two would be devastating. So while techincally he OD'ed, steroids contributed to it heavily.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<<The surest sign that steroids are gaining acceptance in baseball: the first public admission of steroid use--without remorse--by a prominent former player. Ken Caminiti, whose 15-year big league career ended after a stint with the Atlanta Braves last season, revealed to SI that he won the 1996 National League Most Valuable Player award while on steroids he purchased from a pharmacy in Tijuana, Mexico. Spurred to try the drugs by concern over a shoulder injury in early '96, Caminiti said that his steroid use improved his performance noticeably and became more sophisticated over the next five seasons. He told SI that he used steroids so heavily in '96 that by the end of that season, his testicles shrank and retracted; doctors found that his body had virtually stopped producing its own testosterone and that his level of the hormone had fallen to 20% of normal. "It took four months to get my nuts to drop on their own," he said of the period after he stopped taking the drugs. >>> <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/magazine/03/02/flashback_juiced/index.html" target="_blank">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c om/2004/magazine/03/02/flashback_juiced/index.html</a>
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<<<"I don't think this puts an asterisk by my name," he says, referring to his 239 homers and .272 career average. "I worked for everything I've got. I played the game hard, gave it everything I had. Nothing came easy. I could sit here and lie and try to make myself look like a better person, but I'm not going to do that. I take responsibility for what I've done. I'm guilty of some bad behavior. It's embarrassing, some of the things I've done. But like I said, I don't consider steroids to be one of them." That's not to say that Caminiti hasn't paid a price for his steroid use. He is now legally prescribed weekly shots of testosterone because of his body's continuing inability to make the hormone in sufficient quantity. "My body's not producing testosterone," he says. "You know what that's like? You get lethargic. You get depressed. It's terrible.">>>> More from that article.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <ok, I guess post 24 is reasonable. I guess I just don't care that much about baseball to think them using drugs to enhance their abilities is really a problem, but if it does encourage kids to do such things, then yeah, not a good thing.> That's right. And it's not just the star players trying to be even bigger stars. Very often it's the marginal player - the kid who worries he's going to be cut from the team, but thinks that maybe if he does steroids he'll get bigger and stronger quickly and maybe be able to remain on the team. Then the other marginal players who might have remained if kid X got cut, get wind that kid X is doing steroids, so they do them to keep pace.
Originally Posted By Mr X **Mr X what you are missing is that Caminiti had a drug/alcohol problem for many years.** Lisann, didn't miss that. I left those links with no comment for a reason...just thought I'd provide some more info since those two guys were brought up.
