Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt My last trip to WDW was around 2002 or 2003. I was in Orlando for a business trip and went to a private event in the MK and spent an afternoon in AK in my spare time. Why?
Originally Posted By oc_dean Well, you are hinting I'm laughable for my assessment of Uni vs. WDW ... So, I thought, if you are so defensive on Disney's side, that must mean you visit WDW quite often, and don't find anything wrong with it, or it becoming stale.
Originally Posted By dshyates On a side note, they are having a major issue with the "swinging" cars. It is something that should have been thought of in the concept phase, but the C Team imagineers they had design the ride missed a simple and obvious problem with the entire concert of the "swinging" cars. Ponder for just a second what happens when Honey Boo Boo is on one side of the swinging car and her 2 ton mom is sitting on the other. You run the entire course tilted aggressively to one side with no swinging happening. Oops!
Originally Posted By dshyates And I don't think the west coasters fully appreciate the situation here in Central FL. We have one resort that hasn't added a major attraction to any of their 4 theme parks in 7 years. And they haven't added a major attraction to it flagship park in 21 years. And now they are trying to charge $600+/night for 3 star hotels and $100/day for mindbooglingly stale offerings. Combine that with aggressive competition from Universal Orlando who is intent on blowing people's socks right off their feet. And WDW "suddenly" finds themselves in a situation. When I can stay at a nicer resort for $400/night less than WDW's and enjoy brand new state of the art attractions, it really does become a no brainer for anyone except for the most pixie dust addled fanbois.
Originally Posted By leobloom oc_dean, he's just a contrarian. He doesn't have any relevant first-hand experience at WDW or Uni, but he posts here enough to make you think he vacations at the parks multiple times each year. Go figure.
Originally Posted By leobloom dshyates, add to that the big proposed additions to WDW wouldn't open before 2017...It's insane.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>Ponder for just a second what happens when Honey Boo Boo is on one side of the swinging car and her 2 ton mom is sitting on the other. You run the entire course tilted aggressively to one side with no swinging happening. Oops!<< Physics says that the car will be tilted, but it will swing just like any other. The difference being that the 'normal' angle isn't 0, it will be shifted one way or another; it will continue to swing (assuming that it isn't 'maxed out' to either side), but will be skewed the entire way I would also think that most kids probably have a parent, so as long as they can instruct guests to alternate sides, the cars should hang reasonably level. And considering what the cars themselves weigh, I don't think the guests will have a huge impact on the angle of the things. No, it won't be perfect, but I think they can manage
Originally Posted By oc_dean To Han's credit ... when adding up the "total" of WDW .. and all it has to offer ... I can see his points about "Uni vs. WDW" discussions. HOWEVER ... the defensive of Disney can only go so far .. when it's obvious one company is doing a "Walt" .. while the original does exactly the opposite of what Walt didn't ever want to see happen in his company - "rest on our laurels". So, you got one project in the entire 4 park system happening. And everything else speculation and rumors ... for things that won't even open to close to decade's end. So I'M laughable??? HUHH!
Originally Posted By dshyates What they have found through testing is that the swing is easily maxed out. And alternating sides for bigger people in each car is one of the ways they will use to counteract this problem. But there will be issues of one parent and 3 siblings in one car. They will make it work, but not like originally intended.
Originally Posted By planodisney Well, it isn't really a problem with Disney in general They have been doing some amazing things in Anaheim and looks like they are about to start up again in October with Monstropolis in Hollywoodland. Which is said will be on a BVS and Carsland level of theming. The e-ticket show scenes are being described as RSR level with a bigger thrill factor. I find it pretty amazing that they are about to start another huge project 1 year after the billion dollar makeover. Disney can still bring it, and is in Anaheim.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "And I don't think the west coasters fully appreciate the situation here in Central FL." Oh we get it, trust me. It's all the WDW fans ever talk about. "To Han's credit ... when adding up the "total" of WDW .. and all it has to offer ... I can see his points about "Uni vs. WDW" discussions." I understand the audience and climate here, so maybe I'm just acting out because I'm frustrated. Apparently I'm not the only one here who views the endless Disney/Universal comparisons as silly and pointless though. And what's up with the "Disney fanboi" insults (on a Disney fan site of all places)? Aren't we supposed to be here to discuss Disney parks? "HOWEVER ... the defensive of Disney can only go so far .. when it's obvious one company is doing a "Walt" .. while the original does exactly the opposite of what Walt didn't ever want to see happen in his company - "rest on our laurels"." No one is defending Disney, especially not me. What I'm doing is calling BS on fans who continually beat the war drums on a fictitious Disney/Universal rivalry. It's juvenile. "So I'M laughable???" In a sense, yes. Dean, it comes across as slightly unhinged and a little over the top when you write a dramatic mini dissertation just to make a simple point. I know you well enough to know that you're passionate about this stuff, so stop it with the "who me?" act.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>In a sense, yes. Dean, it comes across as slightly unhinged and a little over the top when you write a dramatic mini dissertation just to make a simple point. I know you well enough to know that you're passionate about this stuff, so stop it with the "who me?" act. << To coin your own "I'm frustrated" line ... so am I. Over a company I was once enthralled with for years, just to now see them become lazy as far as WDW is concerned. Now, low and behold ... Universal has stepped up their game, and I'm really, really impressed. And what it's doing, it's compounding my outlook on WDW. It's rather sad.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Don't trivialize being passionate though, please, as you are yourself. Or you wouldn't be coming to LP like, every day. Thank you.
Originally Posted By oc_dean And for the record Hans, I do agree with you .. as far as the WDW vs. Universal feeling goes. When adding up the entire sum of all the parts that make up WDW and Universal ... it is hard to be drawing comparisons. LOL But when one looks at the picture of what's been happening since the day "Forbidden Journey" opened ... and what's to come - That just blows the lid off whatever Disney has done in that time frame. If one is looking for new experiences to get "Wowed" over ... it's not exactly happening at the business with the black mouse ears as it's logo. Your travels will actually take you north of that property. lol
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Don't trivialize being passionate though, please, as you are yourself. Or you wouldn't be coming to LP like, every day." Oh I know. I'm well aware of that, but in case you haven't noticed I've outgrown the rhetorical proclomations over the years and mostly accept that Disney may not be as flawless as it used to be and try to maintain a sense of humor when discussing the parks. Repeatedly bitching and moaning here while slyly taunting and teasing people who still find joy in the place is pointless.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I see your points. And they are well balanced ones. But these online communities are made up of all sorts of people. Some who are more passive about it. To some who do work in related fields, or working toward a career in it. So therefore, there will be ones who are more pro-active, do care. And have to - otherwise, why would they want to make a career/life in it. They want to see change. And rally others who call themselves Disney Fans .. to get into that mindset .. of caring about these things - Though insignificant to some. For every single thing on planet Earth; From the harvesting of lemons ... to creating costumes for a play ... to putting hot fudge sundaes together in a Baskin Robins, there's a sense of humor in it all, plus a level of taking it seriously enough - or nothing will ever get done. (Sorry if that's a bit long winded. Hope I made some sense with you.)
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt It makes sense if you're Walt Disney's offspring or or a Disney employee or someone involved in the creation of the parks, but few of us here have a significant vested interest in Disney or Universal beyond the money and time spent as guests at the resorts. Therefore, what doesn't make sense is arguing about these places as if we owned them.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Well, it isn't really a problem with Disney in general They have been doing some amazing things in Anaheim" Exactly. I guess you can consider IOA to be pretty special and even maybe good competition for WDW, but as a whole Disney still wins. Who else really talks about any of the other Universal properties? you cant pay half the people to even visit the Hollywood location and you think when Potter comes Disneyland will be shaking it it's boots? HA! It's great that Uni Orlando and IOA are doing well, but the other properties are lacking greatly.
Originally Posted By tashajilek I just looked at the Tokyo Universal and it looks just as dull as Universal in Hollywood. I guess in a few years Tokyo Uni will be stepping up and give TDL and TDS a run for their money!
