Originally Posted By SeventyOne <Fantasyland was the place for toons. Not the entire frakking park.> Agreed. Most noticable difference for me is Tomorrowland, but even things like the Aladin spinner or Woody's Round-up or Main Street being turned into one giant World of Disney... And, when it opened, there was a deliberate effort to keep characters out of EPCOT Center (except Figment, who was original and theme--appropriate). It was a huge deal when just the Fab 5 were allowed in.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Amen. Hokkie Skipper. Now they are like a cancer creping through the parks and slowly killing them (for me anyway)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Fantasyland was the place for toons. Not the entire frakking park.<<< Yep. Contained synergy. Not Tomorrowland, not Adventureland, FANTASYLAND. And even then, only the fairytales. Save the rest for DHS. Or a Hollywoodland.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Contained synergy.>> I don't agree that much. As long as it fits, it's cool, IMO. Just no more freaking toons.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***And, when it opened, there was a deliberate effort to keep characters out of EPCOT Center (except Figment, who was original and theme--appropriate). It was a huge deal when just the Fab 5 were allowed in*** I love the imagery here. I'm picturing Mickey and his friends, with pitchforks and torches, being barred from Epcot lol. The reality was, Disney tried to separate Epcot from the characters and the paying public wouldn't have it. And so the characters were "rolled out" (not "allowed in" ;p). **Now they are like a cancer** Seriously Dave...your level of vitriol towards kids in rubber suits is disturbing. Seriously.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I don't agree that much. As long as it fits, it's cool, IMO. Just no more freaking toons.<<< Says the fanboi who wants Stitch in the Tiki Room....
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm about to get admined-for-life so I might as well go for it, but first I need to know... Dave, are you reading this?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Says the fanboi who wants Stitch in the Tiki Room....>> *facepalm* I said I'd rather have him than UNM. I want a brand new show.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***>>>I don't agree that much. As long as it fits, it's cool, IMO. Just no more freaking toons.<<< Says the fanboi who wants Stitch in the Tiki Room....*** Why do you ALWAYS have to be so negative about Tokyo Disneyland dude? Seriously, what do you have against Tokyo Disneyland anyway!?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>I'm about to get admined-for-life so I might as well go for it, but first I need to know... Dave, are you reading this?<<< Yes, kind of, should be working. But yes, I feel the Disney experience has been raped, pillaged and plundered. And if you haven't guessed, I like language to be emotive, that is part of why it exists ;-)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>*facepalm* I said I'd rather have him than UNM. I want a brand new show.<<<< I do too... but I think he's no better than UNM. Worse, in fact. At least the birds fit.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Why do you ALWAYS have to be so negative about Tokyo Disneyland dude? Seriously, what do you have against Tokyo Disneyland anyway!?<<< Who is being negative about Tokyo? Tokyo looks great. I just don't think that Stitch has any semblance of belonging in a land that centers around indigenous culture and colonialism.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>But yes, I feel the Disney experience has been raped, pillaged and plundered. And if you haven't guessed, I like language to be emotive, that is part of why it exists ;-)<<< Rifled and looted.... drink up me hearties, yo ho?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost ***The size of the crowd as well as the social makeup of it, is far more responsible for it being messy than the maintenance people are*** That's a lame and pathetic excuse for poor upkeep and staffing by Disney. And it is, ONLY, an excuse.<<<<<<< It may well be lame but it is reality. If the crowd is large and they are all slobs then no matter how hard you try, they are going to win. You are outnumbered and the rest of us can bitch until the cows come home, it doesn't change that fact. If I were to walk in early or pass by the same mess 20 minutes later then I would be the first to point an accusing finger at Disney for it, but in this case reality dictates that somethings are not always completely controllable. I have heard much criticism about this topic and have yet to hear any solution other than expanding the work force and all in the same breath complaints about how much everything costs. They go hand in hand, take your pick, which one is the lesser of evils. One other thread states..."this is not your Daddy's Disney"...correct this is also not your Daddy's society either and, in my opinion, 90% of the problem starts right there.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I would rather pay more and get the Disney I grew up with than what we have now. My gripe is not the price point, it is the value you get for said price.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip For many people the value IS there. Magic Kingdom is the most visited park on earth with 70% of them being repeat visitors. Something keeps them coming back. Could things be better? Of course they could. Improvement is always possible. But the great majority of guests enjoy the parks the way they are right now. You do not, which is certainly your right.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo But I would love to, and we know it would not be difficult to rectify most of the bug bears.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip What time of the year do you usually visit? I think part of my satisfaction may come from the fact that I almost always visit during January, one of the least crowded times of the year.
